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It's a matter of scale; the power of surveillance scales non-linearly with the degree of coverage you have. What he is talking about is the case where CCTV came
by rbehrends 11y ago
It's a matter of scale; the power of surveillance scales non-linearly with the degree of coverage you have. What he is talking about is the case where CCTV cameras are pretty much everywhere. Quantity has a quality all of its own.
Private photography by individuals that can't realistically pool their recordings is something entirely different.
- nacnud 11y ago> Private photography by individuals that can't realistically pool their recordings is something entirely different. Thought experiment: what if we could?
- rbehrends 11y agoWell, we could make a website for that. We could call it Facebook or something.
- lfowles 11y agoWhat about Google Photos? ;) They're already explicitly categorizing my pictures (Dog, Flowers, Food, Chicago, etc)
- unfamiliar 11y agoI was thinking the other day how great it would be to just go out for the day without my phone, and then at night just download all of the geotagged, timestamped and facially profiled photos of me in the place I went at the time I went and voila, complete set of holiday photos.
- dTal 11y agoWould it be great if anyone could do that?
- vidarh 11y agoIn the UK you can submit a Subject Access Request and describe what you looked liked and when you were there (and provide ID) to anyone whose CCTV you believe you'd have gotten caught on, and pay a fee to have them attempt to retrieve the footage (the fee, though limited by statute, will quickly make it the most expensive set of low resolution horrible quality holiday photos ever) E.g. here's a form for Stockport Metropolitan Borough Council [1] but anyone holding personally identifiable information in the UK are required to handle subject access requests (and there are similar mechanism required in all EU countries to comply with the relevant EU directive) [1] http://www.stockport.gov.uk/2013/2976/66897/subjectaccessrequestformcctv http://www.stockport.gov.uk/2013/2976/66897/subjectaccessreq...
- qntm 11y ago> just download all of the geotagged, timestamped and facially profiled photos of me in the place I went Or where someone else went...
- jff 11y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sousveillance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sousveillance
- jon-wood 11y ago> Private photography by individuals that can't realistically pool their recordings is something entirely different. That's more or less the situation with CCTV cameras though. Its not like there's some national control room where people sit and watch every camera in the country 24/7. Most CCTV cameras are being recorded to a hard disk or video in the premises their located, and for authorities to access it they'd have to turn up in person and ask to see the videos (assuming the storage hasn't been reused yet).
- filoeleven 11y agoYour assertion contradicts this one made by anonymousDan above[0]: > what people don't realise is that in fact a very significant proportion of the private CCTV cameras in the UK have their management outsourced to a few large private sector companies. Neither of you have offered evidence to back up the statements, and both are plausible. Does anyone have evidence pointing to which statement is more representative of reality? [0]https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10116097 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10116097
- joshuacc 11y agoIt's not necessarily a contradiction. "Most" could mean 51% while "a significant portion" could mean 49%. Each person is emphasizing what they believe to be most important, but they might actually agree on the numbers.
- stevejones 11y agoThose recordings are subject to the Data Protection Act. Most are blatantly not following the Data Protection Act, and as such are illegal.