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Mozilla lost me today. It's no longer an organization I can support. Let this be a lesson to you. Don't indulge the perpetually offended. They will never be hap

Mozilla lost me today. It's no longer an organization I can support. Let this be a lesson to you. Don't indulge the perpetually offended. They will never be happy. Their presence is a cancer in your organization. Should they apply, reject their applications. Should they be hired, fire them. Should the cancer metastasize, leave.

dudul 11y ago
Same here. Can we still not like people and say it? Is it still ok to say that we don't get along with someone, that we're happy to not work with them anymore without having it cataloged as "hate speech"? Just because I don't validate your beliefs, or your ankle tattoo or your pink hair cut or where you spend your vacation doesn't mean that I hate you! I just disagree with you, get the F over it. And the whole "He commented as a Mozilla employee so that's not ok" is BS. Are they gonna start a witch hunt for all the commenters on HN and Glassdor who speak about what it really is to work there?
- dragonwriter 11y ago
  You can say you don't like working with someone, but if you publicly, forcefully, vitriolically express your hatred for working with not just one person, but a class of people in your workplace typified by one person, and your employer doesn't share your distaste for having those people in the workplace, you shouldn't be surprised if your employer resolves the incompatibility you've exposed to them by assuring you don't have to work with them any more.
  - dudul 11y ago
    I see, so if I understand your comment, employees should fully embrace their employer's values is what you are saying? Otherwise they should be terminated. Wasn't there some outrage a while ago when an employer decided that they didn't want to financially help their employees use contraceptive or abortion? Based on what you are saying it was their right to push their beliefs down their employees' throat. Maybe they should have fired the employees who didn't fully embrace their values too. Did this employee ever misbehave with the person who left? Did the fact that he/she didn't embrace her belief get in the way of his/her work? I doubt it, otherwise the comment wouldn't have triggered this whole thing. Most people are grown ups, and can be around and collaborate with other people who don't necessarily fully agree with them.
    - dragonwriter 11y ago
      > I see, so if I understand your comment, employees should fully embrace their employer's values is what you are saying? You do not, then, even approximately understand the comment. There's a pretty big excluded middle between, on the one hand, fully embracing one's employer's values, and, on the other, publicly, forcefully, and vitriolically propounding one's hatred for working with particular individuals and wide classes of people within one's industry.
- gcp 11y ago
  Can we still not like people and say it? Is it still ok to say that we don't get along with someone, that we're happy to not work with them anymore without having it cataloged as "hate speech"? Sure! But calling them "batshit insane", "asshole" "the industry will be relieved with this class of people gone" in public goes a bit further than that, though.
  - monstruoso 11y ago
    Not really. That's actually pretty tame. It's not like a death threat or something like that. The outrage at those comments is quite surreal. I can't fathom for the life of me, why would the CEO of a company (and the commenters on the thread) would spend so much energy at being outraged by a RANDOM INTERNET COMMENT. That. shit. is. INSANE. But of course to the perpetually offended, no problem is too small or trivial not to be blown out of proportion.
monstruoso 11y ago
The perpetually offended are becoming a powerful bunch.
- michaelbuddy 11y ago
  they can never be truly powerful because they eat each other after a short while. That's how toxic they are. I've seen it happen. These types are not survivors. When the smoke clears, the rest of us shake our heads and move on to the real work because we don't let our knee jerk emotions rule over every aspect of our lives.
dragonwriter 11y ago
> Let this be a lesson to you. Don't indulge the perpetually offended. [...] Should they be hired, fire them. How is that not what Mozilla is doing? Or do you mean, only those people who are "perpetually offended" by things you agree with, rather those "perpetually offended" by the things that you too are "perpetually offended" by?

dudul 11y ago

Same here. Can we still not like people and say it? Is it still ok to say that we don't get along with someone, that we're happy to not work with them anymore without having it cataloged as "hate speech"? Just because I don't validate your beliefs, or your ankle tattoo or your pink hair cut or where you spend your vacation doesn't mean that I hate you! I just disagree with you, get the F over it. And the whole "He commented as a Mozilla employee so that's not ok" is BS. Are they gonna start a witch hunt for all the commenters on HN and Glassdor who speak about what it really is to work there?

dragonwriter 11y ago
You can say you don't like working with someone, but if you publicly, forcefully, vitriolically express your hatred for working with not just one person, but a class of people in your workplace typified by one person, and your employer doesn't share your distaste for having those people in the workplace, you shouldn't be surprised if your employer resolves the incompatibility you've exposed to them by assuring you don't have to work with them any more.
- dudul 11y ago
  I see, so if I understand your comment, employees should fully embrace their employer's values is what you are saying? Otherwise they should be terminated. Wasn't there some outrage a while ago when an employer decided that they didn't want to financially help their employees use contraceptive or abortion? Based on what you are saying it was their right to push their beliefs down their employees' throat. Maybe they should have fired the employees who didn't fully embrace their values too. Did this employee ever misbehave with the person who left? Did the fact that he/she didn't embrace her belief get in the way of his/her work? I doubt it, otherwise the comment wouldn't have triggered this whole thing. Most people are grown ups, and can be around and collaborate with other people who don't necessarily fully agree with them.
  - dragonwriter 11y ago
    > I see, so if I understand your comment, employees should fully embrace their employer's values is what you are saying? You do not, then, even approximately understand the comment. There's a pretty big excluded middle between, on the one hand, fully embracing one's employer's values, and, on the other, publicly, forcefully, and vitriolically propounding one's hatred for working with particular individuals and wide classes of people within one's industry.
gcp 11y ago
Can we still not like people and say it? Is it still ok to say that we don't get along with someone, that we're happy to not work with them anymore without having it cataloged as "hate speech"? Sure! But calling them "batshit insane", "asshole" "the industry will be relieved with this class of people gone" in public goes a bit further than that, though.
- monstruoso 11y ago
  Not really. That's actually pretty tame. It's not like a death threat or something like that. The outrage at those comments is quite surreal. I can't fathom for the life of me, why would the CEO of a company (and the commenters on the thread) would spend so much energy at being outraged by a RANDOM INTERNET COMMENT. That. shit. is. INSANE. But of course to the perpetually offended, no problem is too small or trivial not to be blown out of proportion.

monstruoso 11y ago

The perpetually offended are becoming a powerful bunch.

michaelbuddy 11y ago
they can never be truly powerful because they eat each other after a short while. That's how toxic they are. I've seen it happen. These types are not survivors. When the smoke clears, the rest of us shake our heads and move on to the real work because we don't let our knee jerk emotions rule over every aspect of our lives.

dragonwriter 11y ago

> Let this be a lesson to you. Don't indulge the perpetually offended. [...] Should they be hired, fire them. How is that not what Mozilla is doing? Or do you mean, only those people who are "perpetually offended" by things you agree with, rather those "perpetually offended" by the things that you too are "perpetually offended" by?