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Mozilla CEO Chris Beard is saying that hyper-sensitive permanently offended types are welcome within Mozilla. This creates a terrible working environment for t

Mozilla CEO Chris Beard is saying that hyper-sensitive permanently offended types are welcome within Mozilla. This creates a terrible working environment for those who want to have a job without the politics. I can't see Mozilla as an organization continuing to exist for very long with this kind of leadership. If I were a current employee at Mozilla, it would be time to shop my resume around to saner workplaces.

dragonwriter 11y ago
> Mozilla CEO Chris Beard is saying that hyper-sensitive permanently offended types are welcome within Mozilla. No, he's saying that employees using public forums to call other employees (including former employees) "batshit insane" are not welcome within Mozilla. That's kind of distant from whether the target of that attack is welcome (whether or not they are actually "permanently offended"); its not inconsistent that Mozilla would both come down hard on this type of hateful speech (even where it might be accurate) and not be welcoming to the people for whom the description, or even just the "permanently offended" part, was accurate. > If I were a current employee at Mozilla, it would be time to shop my resume around to saner workplaces. Good luck finding a place that tolerates this kind of public attack by employees against other employees (even the kinds of places where the leadership might publicly make such attacks on a disliked outgoing employee are unlikely to tolerate underlings doing so independently -- the privilege of painting a giant PR and legal target on the company like that is generally reserved fairly narrowly, where its tolerated at all.) If that's really something you need in a workplace, I'm not sure any place that would lose you for that reason would do anything but breathe a sigh of relief for the bullet they dodged down the line by your departure.
- 13thLetter 11y ago
  > No, he's saying that employees using public forums to call other employees (including former employees) "batshit insane" are not welcome within Mozilla. Let's do a thought experiment. If the post had been, "[NAME] was one of those batshit insane men's rights types. I'll be glad when all of his kind have left Mozilla and taken their misogyny elsewhere," would the CEO be reacting in the same fashion? Would The Verge write approvingly about it? If not, then we're really not talking about some studiously neutral principle, and we should stop pretending that we are.
  - gcp 11y ago
    Well, feminists want equal rights for women. A misogynist hates women. One of those is compatible with the companies code of conduct and the other isn't. So I think it's fair to treat them differently.
    - zaccus 11y ago
      I'm confused, which are you saying is compatible? According to the article the former clearly is, but I don't imagine Mozilla's HR puts up with misogyny either.
      - gcp 11y ago
        Feminism is fine and compatible. Misogyny isn't and not compatible. I'm assuming expressing hate towards a group counts as an "exclusionary practice" whereas demanding equal rights isn't.
    - hga 11y ago
      But 13thLetter didn't say "misogynist", he said "men's rights types". Certainly many of them hate women, just as clearly as many feminists hate men, but that doesn't automatically make all of either type haters.
      - gcp 11y ago
        He literally said: "taken their misogyny elsewhere"
        hga 11y ago
        You said "feminist" and equated it with "misogynist", not "misogyny". I say the relevant equivalents are: Feminists and men's rights types. Misandrists/misandry and misogynists/misogyny.
    - 13thLetter 11y ago
      Ok then. So it sounds like we've established that this is not some purely neutral principle, despite such claims elsewhere in this comments section. Calling some employees "batshit insane" is perfectly fine.
- michaelbuddy 11y ago
  And yet the CEO is using a public meeting to air the dirty laundry of internal matters, making the whole thing worse. Really bad decision. Very un-leader like. Public attack? Yeah 6 anonymous comments on a website, what an all-out "attack." Oh no, her credibility was tarnished. Oh wait, she did that to herself already by leaving a twitter rant-stream mult-day bridge burning criticizing the company but providing no helpful facts, just rants and complaints. hence the good-riddance

dragonwriter 11y ago

> Mozilla CEO Chris Beard is saying that hyper-sensitive permanently offended types are welcome within Mozilla. No, he's saying that employees using public forums to call other employees (including former employees) "batshit insane" are not welcome within Mozilla. That's kind of distant from whether the target of that attack is welcome (whether or not they are actually "permanently offended"); its not inconsistent that Mozilla would both come down hard on this type of hateful speech (even where it might be accurate) and not be welcoming to the people for whom the description, or even just the "permanently offended" part, was accurate. > If I were a current employee at Mozilla, it would be time to shop my resume around to saner workplaces. Good luck finding a place that tolerates this kind of public attack by employees against other employees (even the kinds of places where the leadership might publicly make such attacks on a disliked outgoing employee are unlikely to tolerate underlings doing so independently -- the privilege of painting a giant PR and legal target on the company like that is generally reserved fairly narrowly, where its tolerated at all.) If that's really something you need in a workplace, I'm not sure any place that would lose you for that reason would do anything but breathe a sigh of relief for the bullet they dodged down the line by your departure.

13thLetter 11y ago
> No, he's saying that employees using public forums to call other employees (including former employees) "batshit insane" are not welcome within Mozilla. Let's do a thought experiment. If the post had been, "[NAME] was one of those batshit insane men's rights types. I'll be glad when all of his kind have left Mozilla and taken their misogyny elsewhere," would the CEO be reacting in the same fashion? Would The Verge write approvingly about it? If not, then we're really not talking about some studiously neutral principle, and we should stop pretending that we are.
- gcp 11y ago
  Well, feminists want equal rights for women. A misogynist hates women. One of those is compatible with the companies code of conduct and the other isn't. So I think it's fair to treat them differently.
  - zaccus 11y ago
    I'm confused, which are you saying is compatible? According to the article the former clearly is, but I don't imagine Mozilla's HR puts up with misogyny either.
    - gcp 11y ago
      Feminism is fine and compatible. Misogyny isn't and not compatible. I'm assuming expressing hate towards a group counts as an "exclusionary practice" whereas demanding equal rights isn't.
  - hga 11y ago
    But 13thLetter didn't say "misogynist", he said "men's rights types". Certainly many of them hate women, just as clearly as many feminists hate men, but that doesn't automatically make all of either type haters.
    - gcp 11y ago
      He literally said: "taken their misogyny elsewhere"
      - hga 11y ago
        You said "feminist" and equated it with "misogynist", not "misogyny". I say the relevant equivalents are: Feminists and men's rights types. Misandrists/misandry and misogynists/misogyny.
  - 13thLetter 11y ago
    Ok then. So it sounds like we've established that this is not some purely neutral principle, despite such claims elsewhere in this comments section. Calling some employees "batshit insane" is perfectly fine.
michaelbuddy 11y ago
And yet the CEO is using a public meeting to air the dirty laundry of internal matters, making the whole thing worse. Really bad decision. Very un-leader like. Public attack? Yeah 6 anonymous comments on a website, what an all-out "attack." Oh no, her credibility was tarnished. Oh wait, she did that to herself already by leaving a twitter rant-stream mult-day bridge burning criticizing the company but providing no helpful facts, just rants and complaints. hence the good-riddance