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> Dropping a newbie into Eclipse or MonoDevelop makes them feel like they are walking around in a byzantine museum I tried really hard to use and like free/ope

by nadams 11y ago

> Dropping a newbie into Eclipse or MonoDevelop makes them feel like they are walking around in a byzantine museum I tried really hard to use and like free/open source IDEs like Eclipse, Aptana, and Netbeans. They all felt clunky, didn't work, or worse took away features in later versions. I finally forked out the money for PHPStorm, PyCharm, and IntelliJ and it's been the best money I've ever spent. Trying to learn the internals of indefero using vi was a challenge (with file_put_contents as a debugging mechanism...) - but once I figured out how to use xdebug in PHPStorm it's just been amazing. It has the feel of Visual Studio without the extra bloat.

developer1 11y ago
Haha. You began listing off the IDEs, and I was going to post suggesting the IntelliJ line. There are still some clunky annoyances and bloat in the software, but overall it is the best line of editors I have ever used. You say you've forked out money for both PHPStorm/PyCharm and the expensive IntelliJ. I thought IntelliJ automatically supports all the language addons, so why separate copies of the language-specific bundles? Am I wrong about IntelliJ, or did you just happen to buy that one last?
- nadams 11y ago
  Well I have a mix of their free licenses (for open source projects) and paid licenses. I did pay for PyCharm and PHPStorm (and upgrades). Needless to say I do use commercial versions of all of them on an almost daily basis and I couldn't use anything else. I could be wrong - but the way I understand IntelliJ language plugins is just really code autocomplete/syntax highlighting. PyCharm and PHPstorm have strong integration with the languages (debugging, inspectors, etc). As an aside - for an individual license for IntelliJ $200 isn't a lot. Totally not rubbing it in but I've spent thousands of dollars on Visual Studio subscriptions (and I think they gave me a lifetime subscription of $50/month to Azure...). Check out bizspark - I definitely recommend it. Microsoft even waived the graduation fee for me.

by nadams 11y ago

developer1 11y ago

Haha. You began listing off the IDEs, and I was going to post suggesting the IntelliJ line. There are still some clunky annoyances and bloat in the software, but overall it is the best line of editors I have ever used. You say you've forked out money for both PHPStorm/PyCharm and the expensive IntelliJ. I thought IntelliJ automatically supports all the language addons, so why separate copies of the language-specific bundles? Am I wrong about IntelliJ, or did you just happen to buy that one last?

nadams 11y ago
Well I have a mix of their free licenses (for open source projects) and paid licenses. I did pay for PyCharm and PHPStorm (and upgrades). Needless to say I do use commercial versions of all of them on an almost daily basis and I couldn't use anything else. I could be wrong - but the way I understand IntelliJ language plugins is just really code autocomplete/syntax highlighting. PyCharm and PHPstorm have strong integration with the languages (debugging, inspectors, etc). As an aside - for an individual license for IntelliJ $200 isn't a lot. Totally not rubbing it in but I've spent thousands of dollars on Visual Studio subscriptions (and I think they gave me a lifetime subscription of $50/month to Azure...). Check out bizspark - I definitely recommend it. Microsoft even waived the graduation fee for me.