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Also parents who's kids accidentally stumble upon a site for predators. It's a tool that can be used for good or bad, but will depend on the parents.

by bargl 11y ago

kstrauser 11y ago
That's true, but I can't justify this being enabled by default. As something parents can turn on if they feel they need to, sure, but not like this.
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  - TazeTSchnitzel 11y ago
    Automatically spying on kids without their knowledge if their parents upgrade the computer to Windows 10... seems reasonable to you?
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      - toothbrush 11y ago
        > Parents have a right and a responsibility to monitor their kids. You seem to be confusing monitoring with minute scrutiny.
  - kstrauser 11y ago
    > It isn't on by default. Yes, it is. > It is on when you've told Microsoft "hey, this is my kid's account, I am their parent." Seems like a pretty reasonable default in that very specific scenario. So you're admitting that it's on by default in that scenario. Which scenario did you imagine I was referring to? This is a horrible, terrible, unreasonable default setting. Also consider that the same mechanisms that make it possible for you to spy on your kid could make it possible for your significant other, employer, or any other interested party to do the same against you. Face it: Windows 10 is pwned by design and default. It is an unacceptable risk in any situation I can imagine it being used for.
protomyth 11y ago
Heck, mistype a website name and accidentally get a porn site (ala the old whitehouse.com) and get in trouble.
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  - protomyth 11y ago
    Probably, but the news is quite full of "zero discussion" parents, plus we are talking about reports that now go to schools with those pesky zero tolerance policies.
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      - protomyth 11y ago
        For a company waiting for a liability suit, its not a bad idea to look at the extremes. Plenty of one-and-done lawsuits out there.
nickysielicki 11y ago
> accidentally stumble upon a site for predators. So public Minecraft servers, public minecraft forums, and /r/minecraft? Surely you don't think that kids and pedophiles are meeting on forums specifically designed for it, right? I imagine that kids are preyed on by pedophiles who join spaces that are interesting for kids. How do you prevent that, or even know when it's going on? The tools they're giving to parents are no more powerful than a browser history. > It's a tool that can be used for good or bad, but will depend on the parents. The potential for bad outcomes has been highlighted by other readers. What good can this feasibly do? And is that good worth the potential for abuse and the obvious security concerns that it places in Windows for users who aren't kids? I think not.

Also parents who's kids accidentally stumble upon a site for predators. It's a tool that can be used for good or bad, but will depend on the parents.

by bargl 11y ago

Also parents who's kids accidentally stumble upon a site for predators. It's a tool that can be used for good or bad, but will depend on the parents.

kstrauser 11y ago

That's true, but I can't justify this being enabled by default. As something parents can turn on if they feel they need to, sure, but not like this.

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- TazeTSchnitzel 11y ago
  Automatically spying on kids without their knowledge if their parents upgrade the computer to Windows 10... seems reasonable to you?
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    - toothbrush 11y ago
      > Parents have a right and a responsibility to monitor their kids. You seem to be confusing monitoring with minute scrutiny.
- kstrauser 11y ago
  > It isn't on by default. Yes, it is. > It is on when you've told Microsoft "hey, this is my kid's account, I am their parent." Seems like a pretty reasonable default in that very specific scenario. So you're admitting that it's on by default in that scenario. Which scenario did you imagine I was referring to? This is a horrible, terrible, unreasonable default setting. Also consider that the same mechanisms that make it possible for you to spy on your kid could make it possible for your significant other, employer, or any other interested party to do the same against you. Face it: Windows 10 is pwned by design and default. It is an unacceptable risk in any situation I can imagine it being used for.

protomyth 11y ago

Heck, mistype a website name and accidentally get a porn site (ala the old whitehouse.com) and get in trouble.

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- protomyth 11y ago
  Probably, but the news is quite full of "zero discussion" parents, plus we are talking about reports that now go to schools with those pesky zero tolerance policies.
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    - protomyth 11y ago
      For a company waiting for a liability suit, its not a bad idea to look at the extremes. Plenty of one-and-done lawsuits out there.

nickysielicki 11y ago

> accidentally stumble upon a site for predators. So public Minecraft servers, public minecraft forums, and /r/minecraft? Surely you don't think that kids and pedophiles are meeting on forums specifically designed for it, right? I imagine that kids are preyed on by pedophiles who join spaces that are interesting for kids. How do you prevent that, or even know when it's going on? The tools they're giving to parents are no more powerful than a browser history. > It's a tool that can be used for good or bad, but will depend on the parents. The potential for bad outcomes has been highlighted by other readers. What good can this feasibly do? And is that good worth the potential for abuse and the obvious security concerns that it places in Windows for users who aren't kids? I think not.