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It's easy to say that, since it is true after all, but you are not helping in this matter at all. You are not going to get a single fatty to lose a pound of wei

It's easy to say that, since it is true after all, but you are not helping in this matter at all. You are not going to get a single fatty to lose a pound of weight by telling them: "hey! it's your fault!". Fatties know that, but that doesn't mean it will in any way make them change what they are doing.

forrestthewoods 11y ago
Constantly searching for genetic markers as excuses doesn't help either. It's not your fault! Your genetics cause you to over eat and hold on to all of the fat! And you know what that changes? Nothing. Literally nothing. You can shift blame to genetics or make excuses on how your parents didn't teach you how to eat healthy but it doesn't matter. At the end of day one and only one person holds the keys of responsibility.
- 746F7475 11y ago
  I never said anything even remotely about genetics. And I never blamed my parents, they did what they thought was best, but I dare to suggest that adults constantly telling kids: "you should lose weight" for years doesn't do any good. At worst you start to resent everyone who says that and then you are in deep trouble. If you have been skinny to normal weight your whole life you have no idea how hard it is to keep up with a diet and how easily it gets out of hand. Kids are the place where we should start treating this epidemic and it doesn't start with nagging them every time they visit a doctor/nurse. It starts with proper school meals which favor salads instead of shit like pasta, rice and potatoes, and removing shit like coke machines from school property. With PE classes where kids actually get exercise and isn't just about playing few rounds of sports ball. And some actual advice with weight problems and proper after school activities (these probably should be sports ball activities) which don't cost a lot. Maybe I'm way off base here. Maybe I'm just crazy. But I know what my educational system is like and for most part it ain't helping.
  - JoeAltmaier 11y ago
    Some changes happening. Here in Iowa, our high school has a fitness loft, and PE is about everything you say. Cardio, weights, running, inclusive activities and good sportsmanship all play a part. My boys are lean and mean, in no small part because of their high school experiences!
  - forrestthewoods 11y ago
    The article under which this entire discussion exists is about genetics.
RIMR 11y ago
>Fatties know that, but that doesn't mean it will in any way make them change what they are doing. Obese people who do nothing about their health and weight suffer all of the consequences. It's no skin off my teeth of someone dies in their 40's of a heart attack. Any weight loss solution that says "obesity isn't your fault" fails to address the #1 cause of obesity: Unhealthy habits.
- crpatino 11y ago
  Agreed on the part of not taking responsibility for your own unhealthy habits. Also, there is no doubt that biology realities are immune to political correctness. However, I find the tone of the first comment (and your too, to a lesser degree) quite disrespectful. You seem to imply that people are full aware of what their unhealthy habits are, and what precise steps they need to take in order to change those for healthier habits. In particular, you seem to subscribe to an early modern model of human behavior that assumes everyone is 100% rational and if they engage in, let's call'em "unproductive", behaviors it must be because the person is wicked. This model of behavior is factually wrong, and to believe otherwise is to dismiss the whole body of knowledge of modern psicology (yes, from Freud on. I am aware he had a thing with sex issues, but at least he understood that, under a thin rational layer, the innards of human mind operate on irrational symbol manipulation and pattern matching). What other people is trying to tell you is that you are not helping anyone by condemning the fatsos of the world. You gain nothing but to stroke your own ego, and don't seem to mind alienating other human beings in the process.

forrestthewoods 11y ago

Constantly searching for genetic markers as excuses doesn't help either. It's not your fault! Your genetics cause you to over eat and hold on to all of the fat! And you know what that changes? Nothing. Literally nothing. You can shift blame to genetics or make excuses on how your parents didn't teach you how to eat healthy but it doesn't matter. At the end of day one and only one person holds the keys of responsibility.

746F7475 11y ago
I never said anything even remotely about genetics. And I never blamed my parents, they did what they thought was best, but I dare to suggest that adults constantly telling kids: "you should lose weight" for years doesn't do any good. At worst you start to resent everyone who says that and then you are in deep trouble. If you have been skinny to normal weight your whole life you have no idea how hard it is to keep up with a diet and how easily it gets out of hand. Kids are the place where we should start treating this epidemic and it doesn't start with nagging them every time they visit a doctor/nurse. It starts with proper school meals which favor salads instead of shit like pasta, rice and potatoes, and removing shit like coke machines from school property. With PE classes where kids actually get exercise and isn't just about playing few rounds of sports ball. And some actual advice with weight problems and proper after school activities (these probably should be sports ball activities) which don't cost a lot. Maybe I'm way off base here. Maybe I'm just crazy. But I know what my educational system is like and for most part it ain't helping.
- JoeAltmaier 11y ago
  Some changes happening. Here in Iowa, our high school has a fitness loft, and PE is about everything you say. Cardio, weights, running, inclusive activities and good sportsmanship all play a part. My boys are lean and mean, in no small part because of their high school experiences!
- forrestthewoods 11y ago
  The article under which this entire discussion exists is about genetics.

RIMR 11y ago

>Fatties know that, but that doesn't mean it will in any way make them change what they are doing. Obese people who do nothing about their health and weight suffer all of the consequences. It's no skin off my teeth of someone dies in their 40's of a heart attack. Any weight loss solution that says "obesity isn't your fault" fails to address the #1 cause of obesity: Unhealthy habits.

crpatino 11y ago
Agreed on the part of not taking responsibility for your own unhealthy habits. Also, there is no doubt that biology realities are immune to political correctness. However, I find the tone of the first comment (and your too, to a lesser degree) quite disrespectful. You seem to imply that people are full aware of what their unhealthy habits are, and what precise steps they need to take in order to change those for healthier habits. In particular, you seem to subscribe to an early modern model of human behavior that assumes everyone is 100% rational and if they engage in, let's call'em "unproductive", behaviors it must be because the person is wicked. This model of behavior is factually wrong, and to believe otherwise is to dismiss the whole body of knowledge of modern psicology (yes, from Freud on. I am aware he had a thing with sex issues, but at least he understood that, under a thin rational layer, the innards of human mind operate on irrational symbol manipulation and pattern matching). What other people is trying to tell you is that you are not helping anyone by condemning the fatsos of the world. You gain nothing but to stroke your own ego, and don't seem to mind alienating other human beings in the process.