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There are definite gender imbalances in our society. Is someone bitter when they point out that women make less or that men die more at work? Or is it particu

There are definite gender imbalances in our society. Is someone bitter when they point out that women make less or that men die more at work? Or is it particular to relationship issues? I wouldn't call Clinton pointing out the wage gap as her being bitter. Is it perhaps some view that those who complain about social relationship norms are generally those not in, but wishing to be in, such relationships?

JohnBooty 11y ago
There are definite gender imbalances in our society. Is someone bitter when they point out that women make less or that men die more at work? [...] I wouldn't call Clinton pointing out the wage gap as her being bitter. Those are objective facts, backed by statistics. Completely different than: For a man, unless they are handsome, wealthy and well endowed (i.e. perfect) then they are at the mercy of women If that doesn't sound bitter to you, see a therapist. Myself and plenty of other men I know, who are far from this definition of "perfect," manage to have perfectly healthy relationships with women in which nobody is at anybody else's mercy.
- Lawtonfogle 11y ago
  >Those are objective facts, backed by statistics. Completely different than Not really, considering that the gender wage gap often pointed out (the 70-something cents to the dollar) is not standardized for time worked, experience, career choice, or a number of other factors. I would say Clinton is wrong to bring up the 70-something cents to a dollar, but I wouldn't call her bitter. >If that doesn't sound bitter to you, see a therapist. Even if they meant actual perfection and weren't using hyperbole, that would still just make them wrong, not bitter. If I were to say that the average worker's pay is at the mercy of their boss, that doesn't make me bitter, even when you consider it is often wrong (direct manager often has limited input on overall salary).
  - JohnBooty 11y ago
    Your argument is that this guy feels that women hold men at their mercy unless they meet a bunch of unrealistic criteria, and he's not bitter about it? Oooooookay. Sure. Maybe the guy is totally cool with his bleak, transactional view of male/female relationships. Or maybe he's been hurt by past experiences that he views as unfair. Which is the literal definition of "bitter," by the way.
  - dragonwriter 11y ago
    An objective fact doesn't stop being an objective fact because one can debate whether it is the most appropriate fact for the discussion.
    - Lawtonfogle 11y ago
      An objective fact presented in a way to mislead should no longer be considered just an objective fact. Consider how many racists like to throw around 'objective facts' about the rates of crimes between different races. Devoid of the sociological understanding and comparisons of other base rates and correlations, such facts are worse than useless.

JohnBooty 11y ago

There are definite gender imbalances in our society. Is someone bitter when they point out that women make less or that men die more at work? [...] I wouldn't call Clinton pointing out the wage gap as her being bitter. Those are objective facts, backed by statistics. Completely different than: For a man, unless they are handsome, wealthy and well endowed (i.e. perfect) then they are at the mercy of women If that doesn't sound bitter to you, see a therapist. Myself and plenty of other men I know, who are far from this definition of "perfect," manage to have perfectly healthy relationships with women in which nobody is at anybody else's mercy.

Lawtonfogle 11y ago
>Those are objective facts, backed by statistics. Completely different than Not really, considering that the gender wage gap often pointed out (the 70-something cents to the dollar) is not standardized for time worked, experience, career choice, or a number of other factors. I would say Clinton is wrong to bring up the 70-something cents to a dollar, but I wouldn't call her bitter. >If that doesn't sound bitter to you, see a therapist. Even if they meant actual perfection and weren't using hyperbole, that would still just make them wrong, not bitter. If I were to say that the average worker's pay is at the mercy of their boss, that doesn't make me bitter, even when you consider it is often wrong (direct manager often has limited input on overall salary).
- JohnBooty 11y ago
  Your argument is that this guy feels that women hold men at their mercy unless they meet a bunch of unrealistic criteria, and he's not bitter about it? Oooooookay. Sure. Maybe the guy is totally cool with his bleak, transactional view of male/female relationships. Or maybe he's been hurt by past experiences that he views as unfair. Which is the literal definition of "bitter," by the way.
- dragonwriter 11y ago
  An objective fact doesn't stop being an objective fact because one can debate whether it is the most appropriate fact for the discussion.
  - Lawtonfogle 11y ago
    An objective fact presented in a way to mislead should no longer be considered just an objective fact. Consider how many racists like to throw around 'objective facts' about the rates of crimes between different races. Devoid of the sociological understanding and comparisons of other base rates and correlations, such facts are worse than useless.