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Absolutely. Porsche's own Cayman shows what the 911 should be (although in a bit smaller package). But purists demand the 911 to only be updated, not re-designe

by bliti 11y ago

Absolutely. Porsche's own Cayman shows what the 911 should be (although in a bit smaller package). But purists demand the 911 to only be updated, not re-designed. It is their halo car and won't change it. Still, even though the design is now obsolete, the cars are still wonderful. One can jump from 911s of various eras and notice the improvements. If you drive a 930 (911 Turbo from 1975 to 1989 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche_930 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche_930) and then drive a 993 Turbo (911 Turbo from 1996 to 1998 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche_993 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche_993) you can feel the difference. The 930 is crude and unforgiving. With turbo lag measured in seconds. I remember counting to three before the turbo kicked in and slammed me into the seat back. Driving it requires cojones because the rear of the car will go around if you lift or break mid-corner. Its not a car for the faint of heart. Now, the 993 Turbo is a tamed sheep when compared to the 930. It features a coil spring suspension in the rear that absorbs bumps much better than the torsion bar version found on the 930. The 993 Turbo is a four wheel drive vehicle. The system does wonders for its driving dynamics. You still shouldn't lift or brake mid-corner, but now the car is more forgiving since the front tires are desperately trying to carve into the road. I've personally taken corners at around 90MPH on a 993 Turbo (racetrack driving) and the car inspires confidence. If you are looking to buy a Porsche make sure to figure out what you want to do with it. if you are just going baby it and admire it with a beverage of your choice in hand then any version is fine. If you plan to drive it on a daily basis then a newer model is required (the A/C on the air cooled versions down right sucks). Performance driving? Anything from the 1999 and forward will do because its a much better chassis. Racing? Get yourself whatever GT3 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche_911_GT3 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche_911_GT3) you can afford. All of the above? Then buy a newer model. Turbo or no turbo, that is the question. Turbo models require more maintenance and leak more oil than regular ones (all Porsches leak oil). The power delivery depends on the year you buy, but on newer models its pretty good. The problem with the turbo is that you can easily add in more power by raising the boost (increasing the amount of air being forced into the engine). But this requires the amount of fuel to be increased as well. You can safely increase boost by a couple of pounds, but once you want to really get serious, multiple upgrades must be made. Including the transmission, clutch, wheels, and lots of support equipment. Its not unheard of to spend about twenty thousand dollars on simple upgrades. A friend has about two hundred thousand on his (800HP beast of a car). It all depends on how deep your pockets are.

brisance 11y ago
Drove the 991 911 and it was very safe. Had all the electronics turned off and had to step on the throttle real hard to provoke it to slide on a skid pan. I was not really impressed with how it drove compared to my wife's E92 M3. The Cayman/Boxster, on the other hand, was pure joy and I've been lusting after one ever since. Even though it was down in power the car was easy to get into a slide and you can hold it there for hours at a time. Definitely going to try to own one someday.
rebootthesystem 11y ago
Few people understand that, in a turn, the throttle is the most accurate and delicate steering control (and, from my point of view, the only one you should use). And, on a car with a bit of mass biased towards the rear it works opposite what people are used to with front-biased cars. Accelerating (or not decelerating) around a turn isn't "natural" until you understand why. I've always found it enjoyable to understand the dynamics of these cars. If you can swing it, doing Nürburgring on anything with decent performance is an absolute blast.
- bliti 11y ago
  Have you ever driven a FWD car really fast? Using your brakes while turning is useful to transfer the weight and avoid understeer.
- exDM69 11y ago
  > And, on a car with a bit of mass biased towards the rear it works opposite what people are used to with front-biased cars. What do you mean? Why does the weight distribution result in "opposite" throttle/brake response when cornering? I don't think it does. All cars behave the same when accelerating or decelerating in a corner. Throttle moves the weight to the rear wheels inducing understeer (until you overdo it and you get power oversteer) and brakes move weight to the front inducing oversteer (until you lock up and get understeer). It doesn't matter what the engine layout looks like or what the weight distribution is. It's certainly true that the weight distribution in a rear/mid engine car feels different but only because the center of mass is in a different place. Once the rear gets sliding, it's feels really aggressive because there's more mass going (like driving a hammer, handle first) but with some finesse on the controls it can be balanced out. Most purpose built racing cars have engine behind the driver (and center of mass near the driver's ass) to allow extracting the most grip out of all four tyres, given enough driver skill.

by bliti 11y ago

brisance 11y ago

Drove the 991 911 and it was very safe. Had all the electronics turned off and had to step on the throttle real hard to provoke it to slide on a skid pan. I was not really impressed with how it drove compared to my wife's E92 M3. The Cayman/Boxster, on the other hand, was pure joy and I've been lusting after one ever since. Even though it was down in power the car was easy to get into a slide and you can hold it there for hours at a time. Definitely going to try to own one someday.

rebootthesystem 11y ago

Few people understand that, in a turn, the throttle is the most accurate and delicate steering control (and, from my point of view, the only one you should use). And, on a car with a bit of mass biased towards the rear it works opposite what people are used to with front-biased cars. Accelerating (or not decelerating) around a turn isn't "natural" until you understand why. I've always found it enjoyable to understand the dynamics of these cars. If you can swing it, doing Nürburgring on anything with decent performance is an absolute blast.

bliti 11y ago
Have you ever driven a FWD car really fast? Using your brakes while turning is useful to transfer the weight and avoid understeer.
exDM69 11y ago
> And, on a car with a bit of mass biased towards the rear it works opposite what people are used to with front-biased cars. What do you mean? Why does the weight distribution result in "opposite" throttle/brake response when cornering? I don't think it does. All cars behave the same when accelerating or decelerating in a corner. Throttle moves the weight to the rear wheels inducing understeer (until you overdo it and you get power oversteer) and brakes move weight to the front inducing oversteer (until you lock up and get understeer). It doesn't matter what the engine layout looks like or what the weight distribution is. It's certainly true that the weight distribution in a rear/mid engine car feels different but only because the center of mass is in a different place. Once the rear gets sliding, it's feels really aggressive because there's more mass going (like driving a hammer, handle first) but with some finesse on the controls it can be balanced out. Most purpose built racing cars have engine behind the driver (and center of mass near the driver's ass) to allow extracting the most grip out of all four tyres, given enough driver skill.