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You're free to want sites to work without JS, but to be realistic about it, that battle was lost loooong ago. Sort of like the old definition of "hacker" vs th

by Frondo 11y ago

You're free to want sites to work without JS, but to be realistic about it, that battle was lost loooong ago. Sort of like the old definition of "hacker" vs the one the media has used for the last 20 years. It's probably more useful to figure out how to make the all-sites-require-js world more secure and less trackable than to try to turn back the clock 20 years. (Of course you're free to block all JS, insist on how it should ok, etc etc etc.)

arm 11y ago
“You're free to want sites to work without JS, but to be realistic about it, that battle was lost loooong ago.” Sites should at least work without JavaScript. Or are you saying we should just throw accessibility under the bus? “It's probably more useful to figure out how to make the all-sites-require-js world more secure and less trackable than to try to turn back the clock 20 years.” Blocking JavaScript works right now. Or are you saying end users should just patiently wait until these issues affecting them right now are fixed? It’s not like it isn’t happening… consider how many people have been tricked even by something like this¹. My parents are actually pretty new to the Internet, and I’ve made sure that I have them using something like NoScript. Of course, it breaks some sites for them, but that’s far preferable to them accidentally infecting their computer and putting their financial info at risk. ―――――― ¹ — https://blog.malwarebytes.org/fraud-scam/2013/07/fbi-ransomware-now-targeting-apples-mac-os-x-users/ https://blog.malwarebytes.org/fraud-scam/2013/07/fbi-ransomw...
ised 11y ago
"You're free to want sites to work..." How do you define "work"? My definition of not working would be failure to receive a 200 response and some useful content. The text of every recipe on this site is viewable without Javascript. In my experience, this is the case with most websites today. I know the Javascript on website must do something to enhance the plain text of the recipe. Javascript is a cool language and I respect the creativity of web developers. By not using Javascript I may have to forgo the "user experience" the developer has prepared for users, however I still get the text of the recipe. For me, that is enough. In other words, the website "works".

by Frondo 11y ago

arm 11y ago

“You're free to want sites to work without JS, but to be realistic about it, that battle was lost loooong ago.” Sites should at least work without JavaScript. Or are you saying we should just throw accessibility under the bus? “It's probably more useful to figure out how to make the all-sites-require-js world more secure and less trackable than to try to turn back the clock 20 years.” Blocking JavaScript works right now. Or are you saying end users should just patiently wait until these issues affecting them right now are fixed? It’s not like it isn’t happening… consider how many people have been tricked even by something like this¹. My parents are actually pretty new to the Internet, and I’ve made sure that I have them using something like NoScript. Of course, it breaks some sites for them, but that’s far preferable to them accidentally infecting their computer and putting their financial info at risk. ―――――― ¹ — https://blog.malwarebytes.org/fraud-scam/2013/07/fbi-ransomware-now-targeting-apples-mac-os-x-users/ https://blog.malwarebytes.org/fraud-scam/2013/07/fbi-ransomw...

ised 11y ago

"You're free to want sites to work..." How do you define "work"? My definition of not working would be failure to receive a 200 response and some useful content. The text of every recipe on this site is viewable without Javascript. In my experience, this is the case with most websites today. I know the Javascript on website must do something to enhance the plain text of the recipe. Javascript is a cool language and I respect the creativity of web developers. By not using Javascript I may have to forgo the "user experience" the developer has prepared for users, however I still get the text of the recipe. For me, that is enough. In other words, the website "works".