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I accidentally had a popular political live stream

64 points by duggan 11y ago

leni536 11y ago
AFAIK in Hungary you can't just put out your camera pointing to the street and start recording indefinitely. You can apply for permission though. I don't know what's the case with actively going out with a camera and streaming, I would definitely not do that on a political event though even if it's legal.
- skbohra123 11y ago
  Not everything has to be done following the rules, sometimes the best things come out when you don't care about the rules.
- deleted 11y ago
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- nl 11y ago
  As others have said, legal restrictions on broadcasting political events have dubious morality. I can't judge your specific circumstances, but I can say how much I admire the people involved in the highly illegal activities of the 1967 writer's conference[1] that was at least partially responsible for the Prague Spring. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prague_Spring#1967_Writers.27_Congress https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prague_Spring#1967_Writers.2...
  - leni536 11y ago
    > legal restrictions on broadcasting political events have dubious morality. Well I do not doubt this. However voluntarily documenting that you were there could hit back decades later. It's hard to predict the political situation in the far future even if you have a pretty good democratic setting in the present.
    - duggan 11y ago
      If you limit your speech based on a speculative Orwellian autocracy, you are already living in your own personal one.
      - jessaustin 11y ago
        Don't tell Roko's Basilisk.
        drdeca 11y ago
        That actually is a very close analogue, isn't it. Nearly exact I think. Only difference being the thing being created is a government system instead of an AI, and the torture is done physically, instead of to a simulation. And really, if one accepts the idea of a simulation of oneself as being oneself, then the govt/ai distinction is, I think, mainly decoration at that point. Hm.
        wiml 11y ago
        I think the analogy is pretty good. I've used the political example as a way to think about Roko's basilisk without the extropian/singularity mysticism that attaches to the original formulation. Recast, you could say: At some point within your natural lifetime, a brutal dictator will probably arise in the world (because, let's face it, horrific despotry is a recurring theme in human affairs). Clearly, any such dictator will want to punish people who did not help their rise to power by putting them in torture camps. Therefore, it is your only rational option to seek out the most brutal, repressive tyrant you can find and help them gain power. Any other action would be foolish! While that sounds kind of absurd, people do act on it. People assume that there will always be a neighborhood bully, a local crime boss, an exploitive employer, and so they try to get on the good side of the inevitable by gravitating to the most ruthless (and therefore most likely to overpower the others).
_yy 11y ago
In most countries, this is (rightfully) illegal. You have a right to privacy, even in public places, and this includes not getting filmed arguing with your girlfriend by a stranger who then publicizes the video.
- irremediable 11y ago
  What you're criticising doesn't sound like what he did, though. The political stream he mentioned in the title was coverage of a specific event.
- IIAOPSW 11y ago
  In most (Western) countries you have a right to privacy when there is a reasonable expectation to privacy. What you do on the public streets is presumably something you don't mind the people seeing. What you are suggesting is analogous to yelling out a personal secret and then being mad that people "eavesdropped".
  - gioele 11y ago
    > What you do on the public streets is presumably something you don't mind the people seeing. The law of certain countries disagree with your. A simple example that applies to the Italian law and to almost all continental EU countries. You are allowed to take pictures of every public crowd, simple. BUT you are not allowed to share (display) those pictures if they contain elements that could lead to the identification of somebody who is "already known to the general public". [1] The definition of "already known to the general public" is very fuzzy. In addition, you are going to be in trouble if you publish a photo a crowd where there are minors and the faces of those minors have not been blurred or authorized. [1] http://www.fotografi.org/pubblicabilita_foto_ritratto_esempi_concreti.htm http://www.fotografi.org/pubblicabilita_foto_ritratto_esempi...
- pjc50 11y ago
  Is it? The exact boundaries of Article 8 are unclear. http://www.problemneighbours.co.uk/what-can-we-do-about-neighbours-cctv-camera.html http://www.problemneighbours.co.uk/what-can-we-do-about-neig...
protomyth 11y ago
tangent: "Winter 2010 was a tough one for a lot of people. Physically, it was brutally cold, the coldest in more than a century. I had to stuff up my stupid, impractical windows with black bags and cower with an electric heater through the nights." Black bags are not going to do it. Get a 3m window insulation kit. It is available in Ireland and actually does a pretty good sealing job. Used it in an apartment in ND and it did wonders. Plus, you can remove it easily so it doesn't damage the apartment.

64 points by duggan 11y ago

AFAIK in Hungary you can't just put out your camera pointing to the street and start recording indefinitely. You can apply for permission though. I don't know what's the case with actively going out with a camera and streaming, I would definitely not do that on a political event though even if it's legal.

skbohra123 11y ago
Not everything has to be done following the rules, sometimes the best things come out when you don't care about the rules.
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nl 11y ago
As others have said, legal restrictions on broadcasting political events have dubious morality. I can't judge your specific circumstances, but I can say how much I admire the people involved in the highly illegal activities of the 1967 writer's conference[1] that was at least partially responsible for the Prague Spring. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prague_Spring#1967_Writers.27_Congress https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prague_Spring#1967_Writers.2...
- leni536 11y ago
  > legal restrictions on broadcasting political events have dubious morality. Well I do not doubt this. However voluntarily documenting that you were there could hit back decades later. It's hard to predict the political situation in the far future even if you have a pretty good democratic setting in the present.
  - duggan 11y ago
    If you limit your speech based on a speculative Orwellian autocracy, you are already living in your own personal one.
    - jessaustin 11y ago
      Don't tell Roko's Basilisk.
      - drdeca 11y ago
        That actually is a very close analogue, isn't it. Nearly exact I think. Only difference being the thing being created is a government system instead of an AI, and the torture is done physically, instead of to a simulation. And really, if one accepts the idea of a simulation of oneself as being oneself, then the govt/ai distinction is, I think, mainly decoration at that point. Hm.
        wiml 11y ago
        I think the analogy is pretty good. I've used the political example as a way to think about Roko's basilisk without the extropian/singularity mysticism that attaches to the original formulation. Recast, you could say: At some point within your natural lifetime, a brutal dictator will probably arise in the world (because, let's face it, horrific despotry is a recurring theme in human affairs). Clearly, any such dictator will want to punish people who did not help their rise to power by putting them in torture camps. Therefore, it is your only rational option to seek out the most brutal, repressive tyrant you can find and help them gain power. Any other action would be foolish! While that sounds kind of absurd, people do act on it. People assume that there will always be a neighborhood bully, a local crime boss, an exploitive employer, and so they try to get on the good side of the inevitable by gravitating to the most ruthless (and therefore most likely to overpower the others).

_yy 11y ago

In most countries, this is (rightfully) illegal. You have a right to privacy, even in public places, and this includes not getting filmed arguing with your girlfriend by a stranger who then publicizes the video.

irremediable 11y ago
What you're criticising doesn't sound like what he did, though. The political stream he mentioned in the title was coverage of a specific event.
IIAOPSW 11y ago
In most (Western) countries you have a right to privacy when there is a reasonable expectation to privacy. What you do on the public streets is presumably something you don't mind the people seeing. What you are suggesting is analogous to yelling out a personal secret and then being mad that people "eavesdropped".
- gioele 11y ago
  > What you do on the public streets is presumably something you don't mind the people seeing. The law of certain countries disagree with your. A simple example that applies to the Italian law and to almost all continental EU countries. You are allowed to take pictures of every public crowd, simple. BUT you are not allowed to share (display) those pictures if they contain elements that could lead to the identification of somebody who is "already known to the general public". [1] The definition of "already known to the general public" is very fuzzy. In addition, you are going to be in trouble if you publish a photo a crowd where there are minors and the faces of those minors have not been blurred or authorized. [1] http://www.fotografi.org/pubblicabilita_foto_ritratto_esempi_concreti.htm http://www.fotografi.org/pubblicabilita_foto_ritratto_esempi...
pjc50 11y ago
Is it? The exact boundaries of Article 8 are unclear. http://www.problemneighbours.co.uk/what-can-we-do-about-neighbours-cctv-camera.html http://www.problemneighbours.co.uk/what-can-we-do-about-neig...

protomyth 11y ago

tangent: "Winter 2010 was a tough one for a lot of people. Physically, it was brutally cold, the coldest in more than a century. I had to stuff up my stupid, impractical windows with black bags and cower with an electric heater through the nights." Black bags are not going to do it. Get a 3m window insulation kit. It is available in Ireland and actually does a pretty good sealing job. Used it in an apartment in ND and it did wonders. Plus, you can remove it easily so it doesn't damage the apartment.