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Here's a thought that's been nagging at me for a while... There is evidence [1] that PTSD is linked to increased incidence of physiological conditions like dia

Here's a thought that's been nagging at me for a while... There is evidence [1] that PTSD is linked to increased incidence of physiological conditions like diabetes, cardiovascular disease, thyroid disease, rheumatoid arthritis and other autoimmune illnesses. Given the number of people currently living whose recent ancestors experienced the trauma of war and oppression, I wonder if it could explain part of the growing incidence of these illnesses that we keep hearing is burdening the health systems of Western countries these days. The reason it's on my mind is due to my own experience. For a few years I've been struggling to get sound diagnosis and treatment for a fatigue illnesses that I now understand has been caused by auto-immunity. Conventional medicine offered little help, but since I've undertaken a treatment to remove subconscious traumas, my health has steadily improved, to the point where "normal" health seems very much within reach. The thing is, my illnesses can't really be explained by my own traumatic experiences alone. By which I mean, I've had a relatively comfortable, privileged life and I haven't had many experiences that others would consider highly traumatic, but from a young age I've always been highly sensitive and perceived traumas in situations that others would just take in their stride. But when I reflect on the fact that my parents and grandparents could all be described as having been in a mildly traumatised state, it makes sense that this tendency in me was inherited. Yes I get that I'm a sample size of one and it's hardly objective. But it feels an idea worthy of further consideration. I'm doing whatever lab tests I can do of inflammation, cardio markers, hormone levels etc, so I can do comparisons as I continue the trauma-release process. I'll also be interested to see how I fare in life on illnesses like arthritis, diabetes, heart disease and Alzheimer's, all of which are prevalent in my family. I'd love to hear from anyone researching this kind of thing. [1] http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1196/annals.1314.011/abstract http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1196/annals.1314.011/a...

nebula 11y ago
Do you mind pointing to any resources that can help in understanding pursuing trauma-release treatments. Thanks in advance.
- kmundnic 11y ago
  I would recommend reading Code to Joy, by George Pratt and Peter Lambrou. It is an excellent book, that lets you understand how the mind works (basically, the relationship between conscious and unconscious mind), and how traumas affect our daily life. It also describes how to clear them out, and it has worked for me. The book has references on how that theory began with Roger Callahan at the end of the 1980's. Tapping the healer within is one of these books, which I would recommend if you're interested in the subject, but not as a guide to clear away your fears of your unconscious mind.
- tomhoward 11y ago
  The basis for the approach I've pursued came from a book called The Biology of Belief [1], by former Stanford stem-cell researcher Bruce Lipton. The book is about epigenetics, and the way environmental factors - particularly the influence of subconscious beliefs on the perception of your environment, can influence physiological health. I found it compelling and I seem to have benefited by pursuing the ideas, but it's not for everyone; despite his scientific background his primary audience these days is the New Age market, and I know his way of articulating his ideas is too woo-woo for many. But he is entertaining. The method I've used for trauma clearing is called NET [2] which came out of the chiropractic world, but I've since learned how to do it myself so I no longer need to spend money on chiropractors, most of whom I now regard as quacks. The closest version of the technique I now use is a method called Self Clearing, demonstrated in this video [3] by an Australian guy called Dane Thomas. I'm well aware that all this stuff will seem like quackery to many; as a former devotee of Dawkins and Hitchens, it sure did to me, but my ongoing health struggles necessitated a willingness to try anything, and of the many things I tried, this has been the one that's delivered results. [1] http://www.amazon.com/The-Biology-Belief-Unleashing-Consciousness/dp/1401923127 http://www.amazon.com/The-Biology-Belief-Unleashing-Consciou... [2] https://www.netmindbody.com/more-information/an-introduction-to-net https://www.netmindbody.com/more-information/an-introduction... [3] http://clearyourshit.com/self-clearing-foundations-1/ http://clearyourshit.com/self-clearing-foundations-1/
  - selimthegrim 11y ago
    Why a former devotee? Why is this orthogonal to their spiels?
nebula 11y ago
Do you mind pointing to any resources that can help in understanding pursuing trauma-release treatments. Thanks in advance.
kmundnic 11y ago
I feel in a very similar situation. Throughout my life, I've always had abdominal pain under stressing situations, and in specific scenarios of high stress, there's a specific spot that hurts. The funny thing is that one of my grandma, one of my aunts and a cousin suffer from pain in the exact same spot (just below the belly button). After an accident in which I broke my cheekbone, the pain increased to become chronic, and it's been 8 years since. I haven't found a solution yet, and western medicine has been of no help. I've read a few psychology books (Code to Joy, The Divided Mind) and it makes sense to me that traumas can actually cause pain. But neither of them could actually explain similar pain throughout families. Actually, Code to Joy (that helps you clear out the effects of traumas through a body-mind algorithm) has helped me reduce pain in many situations, but the overall pain is still there. I haven't found anyone either doing research in this topic, unfortunately.
brookside 11y ago
Given the number of people currently living whose recent ancestors experienced the trauma of war and oppression, I wonder if it could explain part of the growing incidence of these illnesses that we keep hearing is burdening the health systems of Western countries these days. Trauma and war have been part of the human condition since inception. What do you think was different for our "recent ancestors"?
- Scramblejams 11y ago
  Of course war's been part of the human condition since inception, but it hasn't been evenly distributed, has it?
- tomhoward 11y ago
  I think about this every time I'm at a zoo or monkey temple watching primates interact - fighting, sure, but not torturing or persecuting or enslaving or committing genocide - and wonder at what point in evolution did we start being so brutal and cruel to one another as to cause the kind of trauma that now seems so common. I don't claim to be any kind of expert on history, so I don't know how far back we've had the scale and brutality of the wars of the last 100-or-so years. But I have an easy time believing that the more recent wars have done more to traumatise people who were in them, as well as those who weren't due to the widespread media coverage that's also happened relatively recently. At the same time, I agree with your point; trauma is not new and we certainly see it in other animals (maltreated dogs for example). And I certainly believe the phenomenon I'm talking about could go back well beyond the past 100-ish years; that would make sense in my case, as none of my parents or grandparents were directly involved in the wars. But I just wonder if the scale and brutality of the more recent wars, along with the media exposure, have made the problem more intense and widespread.
  - keithly 11y ago
    The Gombe Chimpanzee War was pretty brutal. One side annihilated the other. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gombe_Chimpanzee_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gombe_Chimpanzee_War
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nebula 11y ago

Do you mind pointing to any resources that can help in understanding pursuing trauma-release treatments. Thanks in advance.

kmundnic 11y ago
I would recommend reading Code to Joy, by George Pratt and Peter Lambrou. It is an excellent book, that lets you understand how the mind works (basically, the relationship between conscious and unconscious mind), and how traumas affect our daily life. It also describes how to clear them out, and it has worked for me. The book has references on how that theory began with Roger Callahan at the end of the 1980's. Tapping the healer within is one of these books, which I would recommend if you're interested in the subject, but not as a guide to clear away your fears of your unconscious mind.
tomhoward 11y ago
The basis for the approach I've pursued came from a book called The Biology of Belief [1], by former Stanford stem-cell researcher Bruce Lipton. The book is about epigenetics, and the way environmental factors - particularly the influence of subconscious beliefs on the perception of your environment, can influence physiological health. I found it compelling and I seem to have benefited by pursuing the ideas, but it's not for everyone; despite his scientific background his primary audience these days is the New Age market, and I know his way of articulating his ideas is too woo-woo for many. But he is entertaining. The method I've used for trauma clearing is called NET [2] which came out of the chiropractic world, but I've since learned how to do it myself so I no longer need to spend money on chiropractors, most of whom I now regard as quacks. The closest version of the technique I now use is a method called Self Clearing, demonstrated in this video [3] by an Australian guy called Dane Thomas. I'm well aware that all this stuff will seem like quackery to many; as a former devotee of Dawkins and Hitchens, it sure did to me, but my ongoing health struggles necessitated a willingness to try anything, and of the many things I tried, this has been the one that's delivered results. [1] http://www.amazon.com/The-Biology-Belief-Unleashing-Consciousness/dp/1401923127 http://www.amazon.com/The-Biology-Belief-Unleashing-Consciou... [2] https://www.netmindbody.com/more-information/an-introduction-to-net https://www.netmindbody.com/more-information/an-introduction... [3] http://clearyourshit.com/self-clearing-foundations-1/ http://clearyourshit.com/self-clearing-foundations-1/
- selimthegrim 11y ago
  Why a former devotee? Why is this orthogonal to their spiels?

nebula 11y ago

Do you mind pointing to any resources that can help in understanding pursuing trauma-release treatments. Thanks in advance.

kmundnic 11y ago

I feel in a very similar situation. Throughout my life, I've always had abdominal pain under stressing situations, and in specific scenarios of high stress, there's a specific spot that hurts. The funny thing is that one of my grandma, one of my aunts and a cousin suffer from pain in the exact same spot (just below the belly button). After an accident in which I broke my cheekbone, the pain increased to become chronic, and it's been 8 years since. I haven't found a solution yet, and western medicine has been of no help. I've read a few psychology books (Code to Joy, The Divided Mind) and it makes sense to me that traumas can actually cause pain. But neither of them could actually explain similar pain throughout families. Actually, Code to Joy (that helps you clear out the effects of traumas through a body-mind algorithm) has helped me reduce pain in many situations, but the overall pain is still there. I haven't found anyone either doing research in this topic, unfortunately.

brookside 11y ago

Given the number of people currently living whose recent ancestors experienced the trauma of war and oppression, I wonder if it could explain part of the growing incidence of these illnesses that we keep hearing is burdening the health systems of Western countries these days. Trauma and war have been part of the human condition since inception. What do you think was different for our "recent ancestors"?

Scramblejams 11y ago
Of course war's been part of the human condition since inception, but it hasn't been evenly distributed, has it?
tomhoward 11y ago
I think about this every time I'm at a zoo or monkey temple watching primates interact - fighting, sure, but not torturing or persecuting or enslaving or committing genocide - and wonder at what point in evolution did we start being so brutal and cruel to one another as to cause the kind of trauma that now seems so common. I don't claim to be any kind of expert on history, so I don't know how far back we've had the scale and brutality of the wars of the last 100-or-so years. But I have an easy time believing that the more recent wars have done more to traumatise people who were in them, as well as those who weren't due to the widespread media coverage that's also happened relatively recently. At the same time, I agree with your point; trauma is not new and we certainly see it in other animals (maltreated dogs for example). And I certainly believe the phenomenon I'm talking about could go back well beyond the past 100-ish years; that would make sense in my case, as none of my parents or grandparents were directly involved in the wars. But I just wonder if the scale and brutality of the more recent wars, along with the media exposure, have made the problem more intense and widespread.
- keithly 11y ago
  The Gombe Chimpanzee War was pretty brutal. One side annihilated the other. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gombe_Chimpanzee_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gombe_Chimpanzee_War
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