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If I can elaborate on that concern a bit: if government is allowed to be loud about transfer payments and quiet about taxes then it can successfully bribe the m
by patio11 11y ago
If I can elaborate on that concern a bit: if government is allowed to be loud about transfer payments and quiet about taxes then it can successfully bribe the middle class with their own money.
It is entirely possible to run a tax system without W-2 employees having to do a return at all. Many nations do it. American conservatives strongly prefer a government which is not sized like the government of those nations.
- guelo 11y agoCausing extra suffering for millions of people just to make a political point is straight up evil in my book.
- khuey 11y agoNot to mention it doesn't work. A lot of people think tax returns are free money from the government.
- tptacek 11y agoIs there anyone on this thread that would disagree with that? Hurting people to make a political point is immoral. I don't think anyone is advocating for that.
- guelo 11y agoHuh? That is exactly what these conservatives are advocating. Make tax filing maximally painful to make a political point
- jerrac 11y agoIf by painful, you mean making sure everyone knows exactly how much money they are paying in taxes, then yes, Conservatives want that. If you mean we want to make it hard to file taxes, as in make it complicated to figure out your tax return, and so on, then I'll have to ask where you got that idea. Most of the tax reform rhetoric I've seen is based on making it simpler to pay taxes, while at the same time more obvious how much you are paying.
- tptacek 11y agoI'm not a conservative ("Do what is best for the public school system shalt be the whole of the law" comes close to what I believe), and I do not believe yours is a remotely reasonable summary of what conservatives believe, let alone a charitable one. I feel comfortable at this point saying directly: you have misunderstood the point Patrick was trying to make.