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I'm not sure but I suspect that they got the technology (hardware and software) from China too. As a Chinese netizen I don't know if I should be proud that we

by dujiulun2006 11y ago

I'm not sure but I suspect that they got the technology (hardware and software) from China too. As a Chinese netizen I don't know if I should be proud that we have world-class advanced technology or be ashamed. Possibly ashamed.

danmaz74 11y ago
I propose proud of the technologists, ashamed of the political system :)
leoc 11y ago
Allegedly it's mostly or at least originally Cisco's technology: https://insidersurveillance.com/cisco-huawei-and-semptian-a-look-behind-the-great-firewall-of-china/ https://insidersurveillance.com/cisco-huawei-and-semptian-a-... .
- njloof 11y ago
  And let's not forget BlueCoat. These are our colleagues designing and implementing these tools of oppression. We should ask them why they exercise their talents in this way.
  - peterhadlaw 11y ago
    They probably appreciate having their family alive...or something. It'd be better if our colleagues who don't have their hands and relatives tied to create and proliferate liberating software.
    - pekk 11y ago
      Are you saying that Blue Coat (based in Sunnyvale, California) develops censorship tools in order to keep their family alive? Who is threatening them?
  - fastandfurryous 11y ago
    It doesn't take much to motivate someone to do it. A paycheck is enough 99.99% of the time.
  - seesomesense 11y ago
    "Of the ten conflicts in human history with the highest death tolls, five were civil wars in China. Chief among these was the Three Kingdoms War when up to 40 million are reckoned to have perished in military operations and from the destructive consequences of warfare. This is an enormous number, considering that the global population at that time is unlikely to have exceeded 400 million. More recently, the Taiping Rebellion claimed more than 20 million lives while the civil war that brought the Communist Party to power resulted in 7.5 million deaths, over and above the 20 million estimated to have been killed in the roughly contemporary Japanese invasion. This is not the history we were taught at school but Chinese leaders are well aware of these facts. When disorder breaks out in China, things turn very nasty indeed. It is best, therefore, to avoid disorder at almost any cost." That is why. Or would you prefer to have China descend into the chaos of Rwanda or Sudan ?
    - guard-of-terra 11y ago
      Oppression causes civil wars. If they are using oppression to avoid disorder, they better have long term plan. Otherwise they are digging their own grave. Not many people fear of chaos in the USA and not because they have the best firewall.
      - hussong 11y ago
        Millions of doomsday preppers may disagree.
        CrabClaw 11y ago
        Well, thousands anyway.
        sciguy77 11y ago
        > Millions There are not millions of doomsday preppers in the US. And their obsession is not representative of public will or sentiment. The comment you're replying to said: >Not many people fear of chaos in the USA and not because they have the best firewall So you seem to be saying that if the US had a Great Firewall the nutjobs who spend half their salary on underground bunkers and armament wouldn't. That's a pretty silly argument.
- fxckgfw 11y ago
  At first China also used Cisco's stuff, but soon they could't keep up with the requirements of the Chinese govt. After that a man usually criticized to be "the father of GFW", FANG Binxing, came up and built more powerful censorship hardware and software for the govt at Beihang U. It is said that they now use supercomputers to parse, analyse and block (and even inject, remember GitHub?) all packages going through the Chinese network boundary. Oh I just gave away so much secret. I'm so doomed. Everything above are just made up stories. Don't believe me. Don't track me down. Please.
  - fisheuler 11y ago
    There's one mistake on your statements. It's at Beiyou U that Fang Binxing get all those things dones.
  - behermit 11y ago
    It is not a secret at all....
gcb0 11y ago
be sure soon the dev will be cordially invited to write the deep inspector for that vpn if it ever leaves the ground. and i wonder if filling the apple form helped them finding him or it was just bad timing

danmaz74 11y ago

I propose proud of the technologists, ashamed of the political system :)

leoc 11y ago

Allegedly it's mostly or at least originally Cisco's technology: https://insidersurveillance.com/cisco-huawei-and-semptian-a-look-behind-the-great-firewall-of-china/ https://insidersurveillance.com/cisco-huawei-and-semptian-a-... .

njloof 11y ago
And let's not forget BlueCoat. These are our colleagues designing and implementing these tools of oppression. We should ask them why they exercise their talents in this way.
- peterhadlaw 11y ago
  They probably appreciate having their family alive...or something. It'd be better if our colleagues who don't have their hands and relatives tied to create and proliferate liberating software.
  - pekk 11y ago
    Are you saying that Blue Coat (based in Sunnyvale, California) develops censorship tools in order to keep their family alive? Who is threatening them?
- fastandfurryous 11y ago
  It doesn't take much to motivate someone to do it. A paycheck is enough 99.99% of the time.
- seesomesense 11y ago
  "Of the ten conflicts in human history with the highest death tolls, five were civil wars in China. Chief among these was the Three Kingdoms War when up to 40 million are reckoned to have perished in military operations and from the destructive consequences of warfare. This is an enormous number, considering that the global population at that time is unlikely to have exceeded 400 million. More recently, the Taiping Rebellion claimed more than 20 million lives while the civil war that brought the Communist Party to power resulted in 7.5 million deaths, over and above the 20 million estimated to have been killed in the roughly contemporary Japanese invasion. This is not the history we were taught at school but Chinese leaders are well aware of these facts. When disorder breaks out in China, things turn very nasty indeed. It is best, therefore, to avoid disorder at almost any cost." That is why. Or would you prefer to have China descend into the chaos of Rwanda or Sudan ?
  - guard-of-terra 11y ago
    Oppression causes civil wars. If they are using oppression to avoid disorder, they better have long term plan. Otherwise they are digging their own grave. Not many people fear of chaos in the USA and not because they have the best firewall.
    - hussong 11y ago
      Millions of doomsday preppers may disagree.
      - CrabClaw 11y ago
        Well, thousands anyway.
      - sciguy77 11y ago
        > Millions There are not millions of doomsday preppers in the US. And their obsession is not representative of public will or sentiment. The comment you're replying to said: >Not many people fear of chaos in the USA and not because they have the best firewall So you seem to be saying that if the US had a Great Firewall the nutjobs who spend half their salary on underground bunkers and armament wouldn't. That's a pretty silly argument.
fxckgfw 11y ago
At first China also used Cisco's stuff, but soon they could't keep up with the requirements of the Chinese govt. After that a man usually criticized to be "the father of GFW", FANG Binxing, came up and built more powerful censorship hardware and software for the govt at Beihang U. It is said that they now use supercomputers to parse, analyse and block (and even inject, remember GitHub?) all packages going through the Chinese network boundary. Oh I just gave away so much secret. I'm so doomed. Everything above are just made up stories. Don't believe me. Don't track me down. Please.
- fisheuler 11y ago
  There's one mistake on your statements. It's at Beiyou U that Fang Binxing get all those things dones.
- behermit 11y ago
  It is not a secret at all....

gcb0 11y ago

be sure soon the dev will be cordially invited to write the deep inspector for that vpn if it ever leaves the ground. and i wonder if filling the apple form helped them finding him or it was just bad timing