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Sounds like an overseas vendor needs to drop a blanket of satellite internet coverage over mainland China.

by nly 11y ago

melling 11y ago
Sounds like you live in a world where you didn't notice that China became the second most powerful economy, and which will become the most powerful economy within a decade or so. Of course they're going to have the military to go with that: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Chinese_anti-satellite_missile_test https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Chinese_anti-satellite_...
- nly 11y ago
  The great firewall is a cowardly, non-confrontational technical infrastructure. I don't see China using a multi-billion$ missile system to shoot down a harmless foreign communications satellite that also served people outside of China. They're smarter than that.
  - melling 11y ago
    You have no idea what you're talking about: http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/chinese-counterattacks-in-korea-change-nature-of-war http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/chinese-counterat... http://nationalinterest.org/feature/deadly-lessons-the-last-time-china-america-went-war-11558 http://nationalinterest.org/feature/deadly-lessons-the-last-...
ColinWright 11y ago
... usage of which would be detected, and the users arrested and hauled off for "questioning" about spying and/or being a terrorist.
- nly 11y ago
  And using a VPN doesn't have these risks?
  - ColinWright 11y ago
    Of course it does, but they have a less expensive and more effective means of enforcement, which is just to shut it down. That's effective because the actions they take at a single location apply to a large number of infringements. But if they can't shut it down via technology, they'll most likely shift to individual enforcement and harassment. In that case they have to chase people one at a time, so to get widespread effectiveness they have to make sure that each individual case frightens as many people as possible. That means that the individuals targeted will be punished more severely. Enforcement 101.
    - nly 11y ago
      Escalating the issue could be a good thing, even if people suffer. The problem with technological oppression like censoring or pervasively surveilling the Internet is that it's invisible and there's very little organised outcry. Just look at Snowden revelations. Nothing has changed, and most people simply don't care. Effectively once the requirements for bypassing the GFW become harder to deploy than a few clicks, from an easy to follow guide, the majority of the population will just accept this oppression.
      - ColinWright 11y ago
        My point was not whether this would be a good thing or bad, but to point out a likely consequence.
        nly 11y ago
        More likely they'd just buy up all the satco's and run the thing out of business.

Sounds like an overseas vendor needs to drop a blanket of satellite internet coverage over mainland China.

by nly 11y ago

Sounds like an overseas vendor needs to drop a blanket of satellite internet coverage over mainland China.

Sounds like you live in a world where you didn't notice that China became the second most powerful economy, and which will become the most powerful economy within a decade or so. Of course they're going to have the military to go with that: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Chinese_anti-satellite_missile_test https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Chinese_anti-satellite_...

nly 11y ago
The great firewall is a cowardly, non-confrontational technical infrastructure. I don't see China using a multi-billion$ missile system to shoot down a harmless foreign communications satellite that also served people outside of China. They're smarter than that.
- melling 11y ago
  You have no idea what you're talking about: http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/chinese-counterattacks-in-korea-change-nature-of-war http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/chinese-counterat... http://nationalinterest.org/feature/deadly-lessons-the-last-time-china-america-went-war-11558 http://nationalinterest.org/feature/deadly-lessons-the-last-...

ColinWright 11y ago

... usage of which would be detected, and the users arrested and hauled off for "questioning" about spying and/or being a terrorist.

nly 11y ago
And using a VPN doesn't have these risks?
- ColinWright 11y ago
  Of course it does, but they have a less expensive and more effective means of enforcement, which is just to shut it down. That's effective because the actions they take at a single location apply to a large number of infringements. But if they can't shut it down via technology, they'll most likely shift to individual enforcement and harassment. In that case they have to chase people one at a time, so to get widespread effectiveness they have to make sure that each individual case frightens as many people as possible. That means that the individuals targeted will be punished more severely. Enforcement 101.
  - nly 11y ago
    Escalating the issue could be a good thing, even if people suffer. The problem with technological oppression like censoring or pervasively surveilling the Internet is that it's invisible and there's very little organised outcry. Just look at Snowden revelations. Nothing has changed, and most people simply don't care. Effectively once the requirements for bypassing the GFW become harder to deploy than a few clicks, from an easy to follow guide, the majority of the population will just accept this oppression.
    - ColinWright 11y ago
      My point was not whether this would be a good thing or bad, but to point out a likely consequence.
      - nly 11y ago
        More likely they'd just buy up all the satco's and run the thing out of business.