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On this note, we've been trying to upload gigabytes of data via rsync from Europe to China (we are software company who are trying to deliver tools to our Chine

by mobutu 11y ago

On this note, we've been trying to upload gigabytes of data via rsync from Europe to China (we are software company who are trying to deliver tools to our Chinese customers..). Connection used to be fast when it was night time in China, but lately the connection has been really slow or unusable. Is there any alternative way to get lots of packages from Western countries to China?

gnur 11y ago
Ship it on an usb drive. (use encryption)
- JonnyGreenwood 11y ago
  And get confiscated by China customs..
- M2Ys4U 11y ago
  The latency with that method is going to suck, though.
halfelf 11y ago
If this happens day to day, you may consider opening a subsidiary in China, with applying for special network. Foreign company in China can have network without GFW.
- est 11y ago
  There's no "special network", it's just plan old VPN.
hipaulshi 11y ago
setup a server with aliyun. the cloud service provider from alibaba. And relay the traffic from there.
- kingdom017 11y ago
  aliyun sucks when connect to github
- mobutu 11y ago
  Funny you mention it, we are actually uploading to the server in Aliyun cloud services. Completely unusable :(
  - hipaulshi 11y ago
    lol.. I would have thought they have the fastest data center.
    - mobutu 11y ago
      It probably is _inside_ China. :)
xiaq 11y ago
Somewhat anecdotal, but try IPv6.
finalink 11y ago
Copy it to an AWS EC2 Japan server, and copy it to China from Japan. I have transferred 1T data from Europe to China with this method.
- mobutu 11y ago
  Why Japan (as a location) is special? GFW does not affect traffic from Japan that much?
  - qhwa 11y ago
    It's also effected by GFW. Some Japanese IDCs connect China through CN2 cable which is not so busy right now.
kinosang 11y ago
Use Chinese CDN (such as Upyun, Baidu CDN, Qiniu and Aliyun) for http file downloading (with a subdomain provided by the CDN or you'll need to apply permissions at MIIT as ICP) instead of rsync or ssh tunnel. Or rsync your data to Japanese Servers (Linode, GMO, etc) and ask your customers to download through http or https.
- mobutu 11y ago
  The problem is to upload data to China, we are not downloading anything from there. "Or rsync your data to Japanese Servers (Linode, GMO, etc) and ask your customers to download through http or https." We've used Amazon CDN before even for Chinese customers and they have closest node in Hong Kong - they still(Chinese) have difficulties to download our packages. I doubt using Japanese server would solve our problem. Thanks anyway.
  - mrredbit 11y ago
    Due to political reason, I think Chinese gov seriously and actively censor package from Hong Kong
  - kinosang 11y ago
    CloudFront, the CDN from Amazon, have already been blocked by the GFW. But you can use CloudFlare or Baidu's CDN, etc.
qhwa 11y ago
The recent congestion is caused by the price reducing of ISPs demanded by the government. A lot of customers upgraded their bandwidth without paying additional money. This makes the already busy cables out of bandwidth. Back to your question, the answer is YES, use a proxy, which is less expensive, or buy a dedicated private virtual line from a Chinese ISP, which is more stable. You can setup a fast proxy by carefully selecting the routing path. Nowadays, the CN2 cable (http://www.ctamericas.com/content.asp?pl=627&sl=637&contentid=659&id=3&indexid=0 http://www.ctamericas.com/content.asp?pl=627&sl=637&contenti...) is a good choice.

by mobutu 11y ago

gnur 11y ago

Ship it on an usb drive. (use encryption)

JonnyGreenwood 11y ago
And get confiscated by China customs..
M2Ys4U 11y ago
The latency with that method is going to suck, though.

halfelf 11y ago

If this happens day to day, you may consider opening a subsidiary in China, with applying for special network. Foreign company in China can have network without GFW.

est 11y ago
There's no "special network", it's just plan old VPN.

hipaulshi 11y ago

setup a server with aliyun. the cloud service provider from alibaba. And relay the traffic from there.

kingdom017 11y ago
aliyun sucks when connect to github
mobutu 11y ago
Funny you mention it, we are actually uploading to the server in Aliyun cloud services. Completely unusable :(
- hipaulshi 11y ago
  lol.. I would have thought they have the fastest data center.
  - mobutu 11y ago
    It probably is _inside_ China. :)

xiaq 11y ago

Somewhat anecdotal, but try IPv6.

finalink 11y ago

Copy it to an AWS EC2 Japan server, and copy it to China from Japan. I have transferred 1T data from Europe to China with this method.

mobutu 11y ago
Why Japan (as a location) is special? GFW does not affect traffic from Japan that much?
- qhwa 11y ago
  It's also effected by GFW. Some Japanese IDCs connect China through CN2 cable which is not so busy right now.

kinosang 11y ago

Use Chinese CDN (such as Upyun, Baidu CDN, Qiniu and Aliyun) for http file downloading (with a subdomain provided by the CDN or you'll need to apply permissions at MIIT as ICP) instead of rsync or ssh tunnel. Or rsync your data to Japanese Servers (Linode, GMO, etc) and ask your customers to download through http or https.

mobutu 11y ago
The problem is to upload data to China, we are not downloading anything from there. "Or rsync your data to Japanese Servers (Linode, GMO, etc) and ask your customers to download through http or https." We've used Amazon CDN before even for Chinese customers and they have closest node in Hong Kong - they still(Chinese) have difficulties to download our packages. I doubt using Japanese server would solve our problem. Thanks anyway.
- mrredbit 11y ago
  Due to political reason, I think Chinese gov seriously and actively censor package from Hong Kong
- kinosang 11y ago
  CloudFront, the CDN from Amazon, have already been blocked by the GFW. But you can use CloudFlare or Baidu's CDN, etc.

qhwa 11y ago

The recent congestion is caused by the price reducing of ISPs demanded by the government. A lot of customers upgraded their bandwidth without paying additional money. This makes the already busy cables out of bandwidth. Back to your question, the answer is YES, use a proxy, which is less expensive, or buy a dedicated private virtual line from a Chinese ISP, which is more stable. You can setup a fast proxy by carefully selecting the routing path. Nowadays, the CN2 cable (http://www.ctamericas.com/content.asp?pl=627&sl=637&contentid=659&id=3&indexid=0 http://www.ctamericas.com/content.asp?pl=627&sl=637&contenti...) is a good choice.