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You seem to have confused the Smalltalk VM with the Smalltalk image. Most Smalltalk implementations have 4 pieces: - VM like the JVM - sources file - change

by igouy 11y ago

You seem to have confused the Smalltalk VM with the Smalltalk image. Most Smalltalk implementations have 4 pieces: - VM like the JVM - sources file - changes file - image file

sanderjd 11y ago
To quote myself: > I've personally never been able to wrap my head around how I would use any of the Smalltalk environments I've played with to create and distribute something useful to a real person I'm not confused about the existence of different pieces, I've just never been able to wrap my head around how to fit everything together within the current software ecosystem to create and distribute something useful to a real person. This may be due to any number of things: poor intelligence or research on my part, poor marketing on the part of the smalltalk community, poor documentation, or a design that just doesn't fit in very well. I'm not at all convinced it can't be done, I've just never been able to figure it out. I'd really love to read an article along the lines of, "here's how we successfully created and deployed a non-trivial smalltalk application sometime within the last 5 years".
- igouy 11y ago
  >>…how to fit everything together within the current software ecosystem…<< You mean like using Win32™ DLLs? http://www.object-arts.com/downloads/docs/parameterconversionandwrappermethods.htm http://www.object-arts.com/downloads/docs/parameterconversio... I haven't been looking for Smalltalk success stories. This sort-of thing? http://pharo.org/success http://pharo.org/success
  - sanderjd 11y ago
    Neat, yes, that sort of thing!
    - igouy 11y ago
      fwiw There's also a list of companies on the Pharo website, maybe their websites show more of that sort of thing -- http://pharo.org/Companies http://pharo.org/Companies
      - sanderjd 11y ago
        Thanks for doing my googling for me. Clearly the last time I really gave it a go was more on the Squeak side than Pharo, which looks pretty great.

by igouy 11y ago

You seem to have confused the Smalltalk VM with the Smalltalk image. Most Smalltalk implementations have 4 pieces: - VM like the JVM - sources file - changes file - image file

sanderjd 11y ago

To quote myself: > I've personally never been able to wrap my head around how I would use any of the Smalltalk environments I've played with to create and distribute something useful to a real person I'm not confused about the existence of different pieces, I've just never been able to wrap my head around how to fit everything together within the current software ecosystem to create and distribute something useful to a real person. This may be due to any number of things: poor intelligence or research on my part, poor marketing on the part of the smalltalk community, poor documentation, or a design that just doesn't fit in very well. I'm not at all convinced it can't be done, I've just never been able to figure it out. I'd really love to read an article along the lines of, "here's how we successfully created and deployed a non-trivial smalltalk application sometime within the last 5 years".

igouy 11y ago
>>…how to fit everything together within the current software ecosystem…<< You mean like using Win32™ DLLs? http://www.object-arts.com/downloads/docs/parameterconversionandwrappermethods.htm http://www.object-arts.com/downloads/docs/parameterconversio... I haven't been looking for Smalltalk success stories. This sort-of thing? http://pharo.org/success http://pharo.org/success
- sanderjd 11y ago
  Neat, yes, that sort of thing!
  - igouy 11y ago
    fwiw There's also a list of companies on the Pharo website, maybe their websites show more of that sort of thing -- http://pharo.org/Companies http://pharo.org/Companies
    - sanderjd 11y ago
      Thanks for doing my googling for me. Clearly the last time I really gave it a go was more on the Squeak side than Pharo, which looks pretty great.