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Is it possible to just take Daniel Ek's word on this one? If you're so upset, couldn't you just disallow access?

stevejones 11y ago
The ToS is Spotify's word on this matter. If the ToS says they can do X, you can only assume they are going to do X. An apology doesn't fix the problem, no amount of grovelling by the CEO changes anything until the ToS are fixed.
caio1982 11y ago
It could be, say, the catholic pope and still the privacy and PII selling problem would remain the same, so who cares who Daniel Ek is? The damage had been done already, on such bad timing... Apple must be loving this fallout. EDIT: I am not saying PII selling was the main problem here but I believe this is what usually people fear when these TOS changes come, and I think they are right in thinking so
detaro 11y ago
If you are a user on most stock android devices, then no, you can't, outside of not installing the app. (Which IMHO is a major defect in android and annoying to solve for app makers, but that's the environment they have to keep in mind)
- oneeyedpigeon 11y ago
  Yeah, the android permissions model is absolutely terrible; not sure if iOS is any better (actually, I think it might be worse). Not only is it incredibly non-granular, but it also seems to be an all-or-nothing, and there's no way to control global permissions either.
  - christop 11y ago
    Permissions are now granular in Android 6.0, and even for apps which weren't built against the newer SDK, you can turn off permissions individually.
nmrm2 11y ago
> Is it possible to just take Daniel Ek's word on this one? Maybe, but the question is irrelevant. I do business with people every day who I fundamentally trust. But we sign contracts anyways. If what Ek is saying is true, then there is no reason for the T&Cs to not reflect it.
forgottenpass 11y ago
Is it possible to just take Daniel Ek's word on this one? lol. Of course not. He's a CEO being given access and legal permission to material with business value beyond what they're currently claiming to use it for. What exactly is so unique about Daniel Ek that I should take his word? I have to trust that he's not being deceptive, will never change his mind, and can influence the course of action taken with my data for the life of the company and beyond (when assets are sold off if Spotify fails)? I don't even use Spotify, so this is all moot to me. It just sounds goddamn crazy to take his word on this one.

The ToS is Spotify's word on this matter. If the ToS says they can do X, you can only assume they are going to do X. An apology doesn't fix the problem, no amount of grovelling by the CEO changes anything until the ToS are fixed.

caio1982 11y ago

It could be, say, the catholic pope and still the privacy and PII selling problem would remain the same, so who cares who Daniel Ek is? The damage had been done already, on such bad timing... Apple must be loving this fallout. EDIT: I am not saying PII selling was the main problem here but I believe this is what usually people fear when these TOS changes come, and I think they are right in thinking so

detaro 11y ago

If you are a user on most stock android devices, then no, you can't, outside of not installing the app. (Which IMHO is a major defect in android and annoying to solve for app makers, but that's the environment they have to keep in mind)

oneeyedpigeon 11y ago
Yeah, the android permissions model is absolutely terrible; not sure if iOS is any better (actually, I think it might be worse). Not only is it incredibly non-granular, but it also seems to be an all-or-nothing, and there's no way to control global permissions either.
- christop 11y ago
  Permissions are now granular in Android 6.0, and even for apps which weren't built against the newer SDK, you can turn off permissions individually.

nmrm2 11y ago

> Is it possible to just take Daniel Ek's word on this one? Maybe, but the question is irrelevant. I do business with people every day who I fundamentally trust. But we sign contracts anyways. If what Ek is saying is true, then there is no reason for the T&Cs to not reflect it.

forgottenpass 11y ago

Is it possible to just take Daniel Ek's word on this one? lol. Of course not. He's a CEO being given access and legal permission to material with business value beyond what they're currently claiming to use it for. What exactly is so unique about Daniel Ek that I should take his word? I have to trust that he's not being deceptive, will never change his mind, and can influence the course of action taken with my data for the life of the company and beyond (when assets are sold off if Spotify fails)? I don't even use Spotify, so this is all moot to me. It just sounds goddamn crazy to take his word on this one.