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That's my point. Why can't all of the IT recruiters that exist today simply just do the same thing? I'm failing to see how this is any different than the curren

by mbesto 11y ago

That's my point. Why can't all of the IT recruiters that exist today simply just do the same thing? I'm failing to see how this is any different than the current funneling/filtering system?

MichaelGG 11y ago
Maybe cause IT recruiters don't have the karma? I'm sure there's some good ones, but most stories I've heard are pretty bad. They aren't actually developers and can't vet people. Patrick et al can. And recruiters that can do this? Well I imagine they're supply constrained. Random devs don't have karma either. Now that Starfighter's portrayed as a recruiting system, it makes total sense.
tptacek 11y ago
They totally could do the same thing. They can come up with their own outreach programs to start meeting lots of developers at scale on the Internet. They can invent systems that reveal programming aptitude that isn't on the resumes of people who have been stuck doing line-of-business J2EE apps at insurance companies, or QA for enterprise products. They can hire people that can competently talk to developers on the phone or in person and actually learn things about them. Maybe, with companies like ours and TripleByte in the mix, that's what they'll start doing. Won't that be interesting? We're a bootstrapped startup founded by 3 veteran consultants. Consultancies always compete for gigs; that's why we have to write proposals. This isn't a consultancy, but we've learned our lessons. We sincerely do not give a shit about what other incumbent recruiting companies do. Our approach will work or it won't, and if it works, we're going to grind on it and continuously improve on it, and if other people do the same thing, eventually we'll start having meetups and sharing beers with them.
onion2k 11y ago
My impression is that Stockfighter is a reaction to the fact that recruiters are exceptionally lazy and prefer a basic keyword match on a resume to actually checking anything. If Stockfighter works well then I would guess IT recruiters will do the same thing, else they'll be competing against a company with a tremendous advantage over them and they'll lose lots of their competitive advantage. To that end, it might be worthwhile starting a company to build something similar to Stockfighter that can easily be whitelabelled for recruitment companies.

by mbesto 11y ago

That's my point. Why can't all of the IT recruiters that exist today simply just do the same thing? I'm failing to see how this is any different than the current funneling/filtering system?

MichaelGG 11y ago

Maybe cause IT recruiters don't have the karma? I'm sure there's some good ones, but most stories I've heard are pretty bad. They aren't actually developers and can't vet people. Patrick et al can. And recruiters that can do this? Well I imagine they're supply constrained. Random devs don't have karma either. Now that Starfighter's portrayed as a recruiting system, it makes total sense.

tptacek 11y ago

They totally could do the same thing. They can come up with their own outreach programs to start meeting lots of developers at scale on the Internet. They can invent systems that reveal programming aptitude that isn't on the resumes of people who have been stuck doing line-of-business J2EE apps at insurance companies, or QA for enterprise products. They can hire people that can competently talk to developers on the phone or in person and actually learn things about them. Maybe, with companies like ours and TripleByte in the mix, that's what they'll start doing. Won't that be interesting? We're a bootstrapped startup founded by 3 veteran consultants. Consultancies always compete for gigs; that's why we have to write proposals. This isn't a consultancy, but we've learned our lessons. We sincerely do not give a shit about what other incumbent recruiting companies do. Our approach will work or it won't, and if it works, we're going to grind on it and continuously improve on it, and if other people do the same thing, eventually we'll start having meetups and sharing beers with them.

onion2k 11y ago

My impression is that Stockfighter is a reaction to the fact that recruiters are exceptionally lazy and prefer a basic keyword match on a resume to actually checking anything. If Stockfighter works well then I would guess IT recruiters will do the same thing, else they'll be competing against a company with a tremendous advantage over them and they'll lose lots of their competitive advantage. To that end, it might be worthwhile starting a company to build something similar to Stockfighter that can easily be whitelabelled for recruitment companies.