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I enjoyed a bunch of his books. Prey had problems, but i thought it was a fun read after i stopped worrying about power. I gave up on him after http://www.bren

by jfoutz 11y ago

I enjoyed a bunch of his books. Prey had problems, but i thought it was a fun read after i stopped worrying about power. I gave up on him after http://www.brendan-nyhan.com/blog/2006/12/michael_crichto.html http://www.brendan-nyhan.com/blog/2006/12/michael_crichto.ht... It's so dirty and underhanded. He seemed like a really interesting guy from the window of his books. Perhaps he just got a little off track at the end there.

brwnll 11y ago
Giving a bad guy's background in a fiction novel a similar some similar traits someone you don't like for openly being critical of your work is "so dirty and underhanded"? This feels utterly backward. If you gave me the option of: A) Having a person publicly criticize my work saying things such as: "I found a man who has long yearned for intellectual stature beyond the realm of killer dinosaurs and talking monkeys" B) An author will write a d-bag into one of his novels and say he went to the same college and works in the same field as me. I find "A" much more appalling.
- jfoutz 11y ago
  A) is forthright. Standing up and saying, "hi, i'm bob, and joe sucks" is clear and unambiguous. B) is an underhanded rhetorical trick. "Hi, i'm bob, let me tell you a story about Moe. For convienence, Moe looks talks and acts just like Joe. Moe is a child molester." See, there's this internal conflict, either the mythical Moe is just like Joe, and Joe is a child molester, or Moe isn't just like Joe. Just stand up and say Joe sucks. Leave Joe out of the story you're trying to tell.
  - volaski 11y ago
    It's ludicrous to even think of this as an "attack". Just sounds like some conspiracy theory based on this guy's insecurity. Let's say Crichton did mean to use this as an attack. How did it hurt this critic guy? After all, no one would have recognized that it was him if this guy didn't go through all the trouble to come up with his "theory". Even after this guy wrote this blog post, how did this theory hurt him? Based on what you say you did, it just sounds like it was Crichton who's the casualty from this event. Lastly, I think it's stupid to stop reading an author just because of something like this. Let's say everything on that post is true. (Although it only sounds like this guy's theory) Even then this is just some childish personal behavior you can laugh over (It's not like Crichton attempted to bury this critic guy with "underhanded" tactics), it has nothing to do with his ability to write good books.
    - kbenson 11y ago
      Regardless of how rational it is, sometimes the reality surrounding a person can affect the interpretation of their work. For a while, it was hard for me to really enjoy watching Tom Cruise, even though I knew his personal life didn't really matter for my enjoyment of his performance. Eventually I got over it.
    - maxlybbert 11y ago
      I've never doubted it was meant as an attack on Michael Crowley, but Crichton wasn't the first storyteller to insult a real person. From over-the-top portrayals of whoever happened to be the US president when a book or movie was written (e.g., the "difficult president" referred to in Harry Potter), to more personal attacks, there's a long history of writers trying to prove the pen is mightier than the sword. Some of the attempts end up in Literature classe, like portions of Dante's Inferno.
    - kohanz 11y ago
      I'm as big of a Crichton fan as they come, but I don't understand how someone can discover that he put this passage in his book (likely to take an underhanded shot at the critic, but if not, to what end?) and not have a lower opinion of him as a person. Either it was a really, really low insult or a pointless and gratuitous story of raping a toddler. I'm not even sure which is worse. Amazing science fiction author, but possibly not a great person. Those can both be true.
veidr 11y ago
I don't think it is dirty and underhanded, and I would even go so far as to say it's awesome. It isn't like Chrichton defiled some serious work of journalism or science by slipping in this personal vendetta; as Crowley aptly points out, Chrichton's works are mass-market novels about 'killer dinosaurs and talking monkeys'. So what's the harm? Books like that need despicable minor characters to set the tone, and I think this is perfectly fine way to say, "Fuck you, Michael Crowley!" It's his novel, after all. Also, after reading Crowley's article[1] that so incensed Crichton, I think he probably does have a small penis^W^W^W^W^W^W^W it is not very good. (Neither are Crichton's books, although I probably read most of them in the pre-kindle days when you had to buy a paperback at the airport before a long flight.) [1]: http://www.newrepublic.com/article/michael-crichtons-scariest-creation http://www.newrepublic.com/article/michael-crichtons-scaries...
- nitrogen 11y ago
  The name is the same, though. I think that's what makes it completely ridiculous.
  - veidr 11y ago
    I agree -- ridiculously over-the top. Zero subtlety. That's why I found it kind of awesome.
    - FiatLuxDave 11y ago
      No, let me give you a true example of ridiculously over-the-top, zero subtlety. I once read an obscure sci-fi novel where the bad guy was an evil physicist named Edward Teller, who wanted to destroy the world with his invention, the hydrogen bomb. No relation to the real-world Edward Teller, of course. All characters in the novel were fictitious and any resemblance to real persons, living or dead, was purely coincidental. It said so right in the front of the book...

by jfoutz 11y ago

brwnll 11y ago

Giving a bad guy's background in a fiction novel a similar some similar traits someone you don't like for openly being critical of your work is "so dirty and underhanded"? This feels utterly backward. If you gave me the option of: A) Having a person publicly criticize my work saying things such as: "I found a man who has long yearned for intellectual stature beyond the realm of killer dinosaurs and talking monkeys" B) An author will write a d-bag into one of his novels and say he went to the same college and works in the same field as me. I find "A" much more appalling.

jfoutz 11y ago
A) is forthright. Standing up and saying, "hi, i'm bob, and joe sucks" is clear and unambiguous. B) is an underhanded rhetorical trick. "Hi, i'm bob, let me tell you a story about Moe. For convienence, Moe looks talks and acts just like Joe. Moe is a child molester." See, there's this internal conflict, either the mythical Moe is just like Joe, and Joe is a child molester, or Moe isn't just like Joe. Just stand up and say Joe sucks. Leave Joe out of the story you're trying to tell.
- volaski 11y ago
  It's ludicrous to even think of this as an "attack". Just sounds like some conspiracy theory based on this guy's insecurity. Let's say Crichton did mean to use this as an attack. How did it hurt this critic guy? After all, no one would have recognized that it was him if this guy didn't go through all the trouble to come up with his "theory". Even after this guy wrote this blog post, how did this theory hurt him? Based on what you say you did, it just sounds like it was Crichton who's the casualty from this event. Lastly, I think it's stupid to stop reading an author just because of something like this. Let's say everything on that post is true. (Although it only sounds like this guy's theory) Even then this is just some childish personal behavior you can laugh over (It's not like Crichton attempted to bury this critic guy with "underhanded" tactics), it has nothing to do with his ability to write good books.
  - kbenson 11y ago
    Regardless of how rational it is, sometimes the reality surrounding a person can affect the interpretation of their work. For a while, it was hard for me to really enjoy watching Tom Cruise, even though I knew his personal life didn't really matter for my enjoyment of his performance. Eventually I got over it.
  - maxlybbert 11y ago
    I've never doubted it was meant as an attack on Michael Crowley, but Crichton wasn't the first storyteller to insult a real person. From over-the-top portrayals of whoever happened to be the US president when a book or movie was written (e.g., the "difficult president" referred to in Harry Potter), to more personal attacks, there's a long history of writers trying to prove the pen is mightier than the sword. Some of the attempts end up in Literature classe, like portions of Dante's Inferno.
  - kohanz 11y ago
    I'm as big of a Crichton fan as they come, but I don't understand how someone can discover that he put this passage in his book (likely to take an underhanded shot at the critic, but if not, to what end?) and not have a lower opinion of him as a person. Either it was a really, really low insult or a pointless and gratuitous story of raping a toddler. I'm not even sure which is worse. Amazing science fiction author, but possibly not a great person. Those can both be true.

veidr 11y ago

I don't think it is dirty and underhanded, and I would even go so far as to say it's awesome. It isn't like Chrichton defiled some serious work of journalism or science by slipping in this personal vendetta; as Crowley aptly points out, Chrichton's works are mass-market novels about 'killer dinosaurs and talking monkeys'. So what's the harm? Books like that need despicable minor characters to set the tone, and I think this is perfectly fine way to say, "Fuck you, Michael Crowley!" It's his novel, after all. Also, after reading Crowley's article[1] that so incensed Crichton, I think he probably does have a small penis^W^W^W^W^W^W^W it is not very good. (Neither are Crichton's books, although I probably read most of them in the pre-kindle days when you had to buy a paperback at the airport before a long flight.) [1]: http://www.newrepublic.com/article/michael-crichtons-scariest-creation http://www.newrepublic.com/article/michael-crichtons-scaries...

nitrogen 11y ago
The name is the same, though. I think that's what makes it completely ridiculous.
- veidr 11y ago
  I agree -- ridiculously over-the top. Zero subtlety. That's why I found it kind of awesome.
  - FiatLuxDave 11y ago
    No, let me give you a true example of ridiculously over-the-top, zero subtlety. I once read an obscure sci-fi novel where the bad guy was an evil physicist named Edward Teller, who wanted to destroy the world with his invention, the hydrogen bomb. No relation to the real-world Edward Teller, of course. All characters in the novel were fictitious and any resemblance to real persons, living or dead, was purely coincidental. It said so right in the front of the book...