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Why? Apple built your telephone; they already know about your "contacts, photos, or media files." They know your GPS location, too. This reminds me of the quip

by gcr 11y ago

Why? Apple built your telephone; they already know about your "contacts, photos, or media files." They know your GPS location, too. This reminds me of the quip about conservative folks threatening to move to Canada because they're unhappy about all the corrupting liberal values creeping into American politics.

jalfresi 11y ago
I am under no illusions that Apple keeps this information. I've opted out of iAds so I know that my data is not being used against me, and Apple do not sell my data to third-parties. To be clear, Spotify using my habits and data to improve their service I have no problem with; it makes a better service for me! Same with Apple. Maybe I should have explained clearer in my original comment (though I thought it was obvious) but I have no problem dealing with companies that I deal with; it's companies I DONT have an arrangement with who I have trouble trusting they wont use my data against me. And now it appears that Spotify is one of those companies. And all I want to do is stream my playlists on the way to work. Now I have to consider that they may be selling my contacts lists, movements, etc; It's a plain cash grab at my expense. And I wont do business with businesses that don't respect me or my data.
- charlesray 11y ago
  "It's a plain cash grab at my expense." It is absolutely not.
  - mosselman 11y ago
    Explain please how it is ABSOLUTELY not. It must be at least a bit, because you can tick off a few from the list of the definitions: Noun cash grab ‎(plural cash grabs) 1. (derogatory) product designed without love or care, with the sole intent of generating profits 2. (politics) Legislation that serves primarily the purpose of generating revenue. 3. An activity engaged in with the intention of making money quickly. 4. The money generated by a cash grab. 5. A game in which players attempt to grab as much money as possible. Source: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/cash_grab https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/cash_grab
    - charlesray 11y ago
      You're doing exactly what Forbes wants you to do: fear mongering. Privacy policies are legal liability waivers. They are not statements of intent. There is absolutely no indication whatsoever that Spotify is harvesting your data and selling it to third parties to make some money on the side. That is a ridiculous assumption, and you need to provide damn good evidence if you expect me to even begin to consider that. What any REASONABLE person would assume is that Spotify is simply doing what everyone else does, which is track your usage of their product in order to better target ads.
      - LunaSea 11y ago
        And we all know that if everyone else is doing it it's alright! The next "reasonable" thing to do is to let them use your phone's camera 24/7 to film your life so that they can get an actually good grasp of your consuming habits. I'm hyperbolising here of course but this trend of using niche features like syncing your playlist's BPM to your pace as an excuse to track even more data and destroy your user's privacy must stop.
marrs 11y ago
Maybe that's part of the incentive. If Apple already have your data then you can't give it them twice. Better to limit the number of companies with access to your data to 1 by using the same company for everything. This isn't a line of reasoning that appeals to me but I can see how you might want to go this route if you've already compromised on security and privacy to get a shiny new iPhone.

by gcr 11y ago

jalfresi 11y ago

I am under no illusions that Apple keeps this information. I've opted out of iAds so I know that my data is not being used against me, and Apple do not sell my data to third-parties. To be clear, Spotify using my habits and data to improve their service I have no problem with; it makes a better service for me! Same with Apple. Maybe I should have explained clearer in my original comment (though I thought it was obvious) but I have no problem dealing with companies that I deal with; it's companies I DONT have an arrangement with who I have trouble trusting they wont use my data against me. And now it appears that Spotify is one of those companies. And all I want to do is stream my playlists on the way to work. Now I have to consider that they may be selling my contacts lists, movements, etc; It's a plain cash grab at my expense. And I wont do business with businesses that don't respect me or my data.

charlesray 11y ago
"It's a plain cash grab at my expense." It is absolutely not.
- mosselman 11y ago
  Explain please how it is ABSOLUTELY not. It must be at least a bit, because you can tick off a few from the list of the definitions: Noun cash grab ‎(plural cash grabs) 1. (derogatory) product designed without love or care, with the sole intent of generating profits 2. (politics) Legislation that serves primarily the purpose of generating revenue. 3. An activity engaged in with the intention of making money quickly. 4. The money generated by a cash grab. 5. A game in which players attempt to grab as much money as possible. Source: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/cash_grab https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/cash_grab
  - charlesray 11y ago
    You're doing exactly what Forbes wants you to do: fear mongering. Privacy policies are legal liability waivers. They are not statements of intent. There is absolutely no indication whatsoever that Spotify is harvesting your data and selling it to third parties to make some money on the side. That is a ridiculous assumption, and you need to provide damn good evidence if you expect me to even begin to consider that. What any REASONABLE person would assume is that Spotify is simply doing what everyone else does, which is track your usage of their product in order to better target ads.
    - LunaSea 11y ago
      And we all know that if everyone else is doing it it's alright! The next "reasonable" thing to do is to let them use your phone's camera 24/7 to film your life so that they can get an actually good grasp of your consuming habits. I'm hyperbolising here of course but this trend of using niche features like syncing your playlist's BPM to your pace as an excuse to track even more data and destroy your user's privacy must stop.

marrs 11y ago

Maybe that's part of the incentive. If Apple already have your data then you can't give it them twice. Better to limit the number of companies with access to your data to 1 by using the same company for everything. This isn't a line of reasoning that appeals to me but I can see how you might want to go this route if you've already compromised on security and privacy to get a shiny new iPhone.