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Is this for real? I pay £10 a month to avoid this crap and now I'm lumped in as well? Screw this, I'm off to Apple Music.

philliphaydon 11y ago
I moved to deezer. Waiting for android support for apple music. Spotify are gone for me when they ruined their desktop app.
- charlesray 11y ago
  You're complaining about Spotify's desktop app and yet you'd rather use iTunes? That's rich.
  - jalfresi 11y ago
    If it's not farming out your private data to third-parties, it already has a killer feature for me.
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- richmarr 11y ago
  > android support for apple music Is that a thing? I thought Apple Music existed only to push iDevices.
  - sehr 11y ago
    It's been part of Apple musics announcements since the very beginning
charlesray 11y ago
"I pay £10 a month to avoid this crap" I don't understand this concept. I pay $10 a month get rid of ads, to be able to use the mobile app, and to get higher quality streams. There was never any reason to believe being a paid member had any impact on the data Spotify collects from you.
- jalfresi 11y ago
  It appears that the privacy policy makes several references to advertising. I pay money so I don't receive any advertising, so Spotify make no money from me that way. The part that concerns me is that my data can now be sold to someone else, with ever more excruciating detail about me. Thats the part that concerns me; I don't have an arrangement with those third parties.
  - axx 11y ago
    I'm sure the privacy policy is the same for everyone whether you're paying or not. As far as i remember, a huge part of spotify users don't pay, but listen to those awful ads (i have no idea how one can enjoy music with ads). So i'm pretty sure, they won't show/play us (paying) customers any ads. Because if they would, many people will cancel their subscription (me included).
  - charlesray 11y ago
    My experience with panic about privacy policies is that they virtually always sound far worse than they actually are. For example, access to local files (contacts, photos, music) tends to be an all or nothing thing, and Spotify of course needs access to your local music files. I also don't think they are selling your data to generate revenue. That's a baseless assumption at best and reckless fear-mongering at worst. The one area where many agree Apple Music has got the leg up on Spotify is music discovery. It's pretty obvious, to me at least, that Spotify wants to gather as much data as possible about what you listen to and how you listen to it, then have the freedom to pass that on to third-party data analysis companies who might be better than they are at identifying your tastes. The Discover Weekly playlist, for example, has been a big hit and was created by a company they acquired.
- thomasrossi 11y ago
  I notice two things: 1) why shouldn't Apple collect the very same data? 2) apparently users are willing to pay for privacy, that's pretty cool! Something like vysk will actually have some space.
  - 11y ago
gcr 11y ago
Why? Apple built your telephone; they already know about your "contacts, photos, or media files." They know your GPS location, too. This reminds me of the quip about conservative folks threatening to move to Canada because they're unhappy about all the corrupting liberal values creeping into American politics.
- jalfresi 11y ago
  I am under no illusions that Apple keeps this information. I've opted out of iAds so I know that my data is not being used against me, and Apple do not sell my data to third-parties. To be clear, Spotify using my habits and data to improve their service I have no problem with; it makes a better service for me! Same with Apple. Maybe I should have explained clearer in my original comment (though I thought it was obvious) but I have no problem dealing with companies that I deal with; it's companies I DONT have an arrangement with who I have trouble trusting they wont use my data against me. And now it appears that Spotify is one of those companies. And all I want to do is stream my playlists on the way to work. Now I have to consider that they may be selling my contacts lists, movements, etc; It's a plain cash grab at my expense. And I wont do business with businesses that don't respect me or my data.
  - charlesray 11y ago
    "It's a plain cash grab at my expense." It is absolutely not.
    - mosselman 11y ago
      Explain please how it is ABSOLUTELY not. It must be at least a bit, because you can tick off a few from the list of the definitions: Noun cash grab ‎(plural cash grabs) 1. (derogatory) product designed without love or care, with the sole intent of generating profits 2. (politics) Legislation that serves primarily the purpose of generating revenue. 3. An activity engaged in with the intention of making money quickly. 4. The money generated by a cash grab. 5. A game in which players attempt to grab as much money as possible. Source: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/cash_grab https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/cash_grab
merijnv 11y ago
To be fair, I opened the privacy policy from Spotify just now (I think I updated to a newer version yesterday?) and I don't see any of these things mentioned in the privacy policy, so might wanna hold your horses.
imglorp 11y ago
Or, use the money to buy albums (the old fashioned way) and put them on your device or dropbox or whatever. Then you don't spray your private information around the galaxy.

philliphaydon 11y ago

I moved to deezer. Waiting for android support for apple music. Spotify are gone for me when they ruined their desktop app.

charlesray 11y ago
You're complaining about Spotify's desktop app and yet you'd rather use iTunes? That's rich.
- jalfresi 11y ago
  If it's not farming out your private data to third-parties, it already has a killer feature for me.
  - deleted 11y ago
    [deleted]
richmarr 11y ago
> android support for apple music Is that a thing? I thought Apple Music existed only to push iDevices.
- sehr 11y ago
  It's been part of Apple musics announcements since the very beginning

charlesray 11y ago

"I pay £10 a month to avoid this crap" I don't understand this concept. I pay $10 a month get rid of ads, to be able to use the mobile app, and to get higher quality streams. There was never any reason to believe being a paid member had any impact on the data Spotify collects from you.

jalfresi 11y ago
It appears that the privacy policy makes several references to advertising. I pay money so I don't receive any advertising, so Spotify make no money from me that way. The part that concerns me is that my data can now be sold to someone else, with ever more excruciating detail about me. Thats the part that concerns me; I don't have an arrangement with those third parties.
- axx 11y ago
  I'm sure the privacy policy is the same for everyone whether you're paying or not. As far as i remember, a huge part of spotify users don't pay, but listen to those awful ads (i have no idea how one can enjoy music with ads). So i'm pretty sure, they won't show/play us (paying) customers any ads. Because if they would, many people will cancel their subscription (me included).
- charlesray 11y ago
  My experience with panic about privacy policies is that they virtually always sound far worse than they actually are. For example, access to local files (contacts, photos, music) tends to be an all or nothing thing, and Spotify of course needs access to your local music files. I also don't think they are selling your data to generate revenue. That's a baseless assumption at best and reckless fear-mongering at worst. The one area where many agree Apple Music has got the leg up on Spotify is music discovery. It's pretty obvious, to me at least, that Spotify wants to gather as much data as possible about what you listen to and how you listen to it, then have the freedom to pass that on to third-party data analysis companies who might be better than they are at identifying your tastes. The Discover Weekly playlist, for example, has been a big hit and was created by a company they acquired.
thomasrossi 11y ago
I notice two things: 1) why shouldn't Apple collect the very same data? 2) apparently users are willing to pay for privacy, that's pretty cool! Something like vysk will actually have some space.
- 11y ago

gcr 11y ago

Why? Apple built your telephone; they already know about your "contacts, photos, or media files." They know your GPS location, too. This reminds me of the quip about conservative folks threatening to move to Canada because they're unhappy about all the corrupting liberal values creeping into American politics.

jalfresi 11y ago
I am under no illusions that Apple keeps this information. I've opted out of iAds so I know that my data is not being used against me, and Apple do not sell my data to third-parties. To be clear, Spotify using my habits and data to improve their service I have no problem with; it makes a better service for me! Same with Apple. Maybe I should have explained clearer in my original comment (though I thought it was obvious) but I have no problem dealing with companies that I deal with; it's companies I DONT have an arrangement with who I have trouble trusting they wont use my data against me. And now it appears that Spotify is one of those companies. And all I want to do is stream my playlists on the way to work. Now I have to consider that they may be selling my contacts lists, movements, etc; It's a plain cash grab at my expense. And I wont do business with businesses that don't respect me or my data.
- charlesray 11y ago
  "It's a plain cash grab at my expense." It is absolutely not.
  - mosselman 11y ago
    Explain please how it is ABSOLUTELY not. It must be at least a bit, because you can tick off a few from the list of the definitions: Noun cash grab ‎(plural cash grabs) 1. (derogatory) product designed without love or care, with the sole intent of generating profits 2. (politics) Legislation that serves primarily the purpose of generating revenue. 3. An activity engaged in with the intention of making money quickly. 4. The money generated by a cash grab. 5. A game in which players attempt to grab as much money as possible. Source: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/cash_grab https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/cash_grab

merijnv 11y ago

To be fair, I opened the privacy policy from Spotify just now (I think I updated to a newer version yesterday?) and I don't see any of these things mentioned in the privacy policy, so might wanna hold your horses.

imglorp 11y ago

Or, use the money to buy albums (the old fashioned way) and put them on your device or dropbox or whatever. Then you don't spray your private information around the galaxy.