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Isn't it unconditional basic income, as in everyone gets the same flat amount? The moment you add conditions and variables, you basically turn it into the comp
by enraged_camel 11y ago
Isn't it unconditional basic income, as in everyone gets the same flat amount?
The moment you add conditions and variables, you basically turn it into the complex mess that's the current welfare system.
- danieltillett 11y agoIt can be unconditional and not apply to children and people collecting pensions. It would not create a huge mess by limiting it to people over 18 and under 65.
- mason240 11y agoWouldn't the simpler solution be to simply reduce the pensions by the amount of UBI? For example, a pensioner gettin $40k/year would get $25k under a $15k UBI. You would have to get them to agree to the renegotiation, so I suppose it's not a realistic solution.
- danieltillett 11y agoYes it would, although getting people to give up something is hard. Personally I would structure a UBI as a large negative income tax to try and avoid these problems.
- 3pt14159 11y agoWhy should people with pensions not get UBI? They saved their money into a pension vs into a bank account. Unless you are talking about replacing Social Security, but even there the math isn't as straightforward. As for 18 and under, I think it's a bit tough. A 6 person household with 4 kids needs much more than a 2 person household. If we don't supply UBI to the children / wards of the children then we risk needing to recreate social assistance programs. Although it does run the risk of having kids for money, which admittedly probably already happens.
- danieltillett 11y agoI was making the point that a UBI can have age exclusions and still be simple. I would be reluctant to provide a full UBI to children since they don't have the freedom to spend the money themselves.