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Ok, so Amazon is a turd of an employer. The question in my mind is how do we stop this abuse? Do we (as workers) put out a letter that asks for net average 40

Ok, so Amazon is a turd of an employer. The question in my mind is how do we stop this abuse? Do we (as workers) put out a letter that asks for net average 40 hour weeks and ask companies to sign on to it? Do we keep naming and shaming like this? Or?

kelukelugames 11y ago
I turned down my Amazon offer saying you are stock vesting plan is unfair. The recruiter's comeback was "We are all leaders here!" At least I tried.
- outside1234 11y ago
  what was unfair about it?
  - kelukelugames 11y ago
    Everyone else vests roughly 25% every year over 4 years. Amazon was something like 15%/15%/30%/30% over 4. It's not very pro employee.
- Devthrowaway80 11y ago
  > "We are all leaders here!" As a Amazon refugee, that is the funniest fucking thing I've read all day. We're all cowering, downtrodden, abused leaders here!
wmt 11y ago
Employee unions have traditionally resolved such employer abuses like lowering the hourly wage by unpaid overtime. Thanks to this many western countries have contracts or even laws which forbid unpaid or mandatory overtime.
hwstar 11y ago
You write your state assembly person, state senator, federal congressperson, and federal senators and state that you want labor law reform similar to the European Working Time Directive https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Working_Time_Directive https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Working_Time_Directive for exempt employees. It enough people applied pressure to elected officials, this could be a reality.
- hwstar 11y ago
  Boilerplate to use to write your senators and congresspersons: In light of the recent allegations of employee mistreatment at Amazon.com, maybe it is time to redefine what an exempt employee is under the Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938. I would like to propose changes similar to the European Working Time Directive if 1993. Here is the link with more details: http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/ALL/?uri=CELEX:32003L0088 http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/ALL/?uri=CELEX:320... Labor law in the US must be harmonized with the rest of the developed world.
  - mikestew 11y ago
    I wish there a way to sift this to the top. Awesome reply with boilerplate for the lazy (amongst which I count myself). Me, I just don't put up with the crap anymore, either by not taking the job in the first place, or leaving if I discover it's a sweatshop. But not everyone is as well off as I, and this kind of crap needs to change for all.

kelukelugames 11y ago

I turned down my Amazon offer saying you are stock vesting plan is unfair. The recruiter's comeback was "We are all leaders here!" At least I tried.

outside1234 11y ago
what was unfair about it?
- kelukelugames 11y ago
  Everyone else vests roughly 25% every year over 4 years. Amazon was something like 15%/15%/30%/30% over 4. It's not very pro employee.
Devthrowaway80 11y ago
> "We are all leaders here!" As a Amazon refugee, that is the funniest fucking thing I've read all day. We're all cowering, downtrodden, abused leaders here!

wmt 11y ago

Employee unions have traditionally resolved such employer abuses like lowering the hourly wage by unpaid overtime. Thanks to this many western countries have contracts or even laws which forbid unpaid or mandatory overtime.

hwstar 11y ago

You write your state assembly person, state senator, federal congressperson, and federal senators and state that you want labor law reform similar to the European Working Time Directive https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Working_Time_Directive https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Working_Time_Directive for exempt employees. It enough people applied pressure to elected officials, this could be a reality.

hwstar 11y ago
Boilerplate to use to write your senators and congresspersons: In light of the recent allegations of employee mistreatment at Amazon.com, maybe it is time to redefine what an exempt employee is under the Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938. I would like to propose changes similar to the European Working Time Directive if 1993. Here is the link with more details: http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/ALL/?uri=CELEX:32003L0088 http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/ALL/?uri=CELEX:320... Labor law in the US must be harmonized with the rest of the developed world.
- mikestew 11y ago
  I wish there a way to sift this to the top. Awesome reply with boilerplate for the lazy (amongst which I count myself). Me, I just don't put up with the crap anymore, either by not taking the job in the first place, or leaving if I discover it's a sweatshop. But not everyone is as well off as I, and this kind of crap needs to change for all.