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Even though CERN's budget is probably humongous, it does not mean it can spend 30k CHF (27.5k €, 30.5k $) left and right. As it is huge amount of cash. The bes

by trymas 11y ago

Even though CERN's budget is probably humongous, it does not mean it can spend 30k CHF (27.5k €, 30.5k $) left and right. As it is huge amount of cash. The best way to do is explain and negotiate with AllSIM. As I understood the student used pirated software for a very short period of time. If AllSIM are human, they will not charge CERN, or charge low fine (<1k €). Rules are rules, without obeying them, student compromised reputation of whole CERN, then his/hers university and finally himself. Probably CERN will not hire him and will not recommend to anybody else.

rfrey 11y ago
"Rules are rules, without obeying them, student compromised reputation of whole CERN" An uncompromising "rules are rules" attitude for non life-threatening policy violations in an organization comprised of human beings is asinine. It is not the student who is damaging the reputation of CERN in this situation, it is CERN.
- sbuk 11y ago
  No, it's the student. He is an adult and he has made a conscious decision. It was knowingly dishonest.
- trymas 11y ago
  You don't need to break 'life-threatening' rule to compromise your reputation. It's just about who is trustworthy and reliable, and who is not, especially in an organisation where people are very educated and probably with high morality standards.
  - JupiterMoon 11y ago
    Nope you just have to prove to be an officious pompous organisation which bullies it's people. Which CERN certainly has here. Go CERN.
    - sbuk 11y ago
      You really are going too far. CERN haven't 'bullied' anyone. The individual broke the law, why should CERN pay?
      - JupiterMoon 11y ago
        As has already been established repeatedly on this thread quite possibly no one should pay. If I send you an invoice for $30000 it does not mean that you owe it to me merely that I am demanding it.
        sbuk 11y ago
        So the bully is AllSIM; CERN are merely passing the invoice on to the relevant party...
        JupiterMoon 11y ago
        No the bullies are AllSIM, CERN and the University. CERN or possibly the University employed the student. They are the relevant party. AllSIM are almost ridiculous with this speculative invoice.
        sbuk 11y ago
        Right, I'm going to try and put this in very simple terms. The student is the one who broke the law. HE deserves to be punished. CERN are not the employer, the University are. HE was seconded to CERN by the University. However, the actions HE took were done on HIS own. Had HE been directed to pirate the software by either CERN or the Univerity, then you may have a point. As it stands you do not. Pointless. I'm sure you are going to suggest draconian licensing terms, blah, blah, blah... The fact remains that the terms exist and, as a professional scientist, HE should have behaved ethically and operated within the confines of the license. End of discussion.
        JupiterMoon 11y ago

by trymas 11y ago

rfrey 11y ago

"Rules are rules, without obeying them, student compromised reputation of whole CERN" An uncompromising "rules are rules" attitude for non life-threatening policy violations in an organization comprised of human beings is asinine. It is not the student who is damaging the reputation of CERN in this situation, it is CERN.

sbuk 11y ago
No, it's the student. He is an adult and he has made a conscious decision. It was knowingly dishonest.
trymas 11y ago
You don't need to break 'life-threatening' rule to compromise your reputation. It's just about who is trustworthy and reliable, and who is not, especially in an organisation where people are very educated and probably with high morality standards.
- JupiterMoon 11y ago
  Nope you just have to prove to be an officious pompous organisation which bullies it's people. Which CERN certainly has here. Go CERN.
  - sbuk 11y ago
    You really are going too far. CERN haven't 'bullied' anyone. The individual broke the law, why should CERN pay?
    - JupiterMoon 11y ago
      As has already been established repeatedly on this thread quite possibly no one should pay. If I send you an invoice for $30000 it does not mean that you owe it to me merely that I am demanding it.
      - sbuk 11y ago
        So the bully is AllSIM; CERN are merely passing the invoice on to the relevant party...
        JupiterMoon 11y ago
        No the bullies are AllSIM, CERN and the University. CERN or possibly the University employed the student. They are the relevant party. AllSIM are almost ridiculous with this speculative invoice.
        sbuk 11y ago
        Right, I'm going to try and put this in very simple terms. The student is the one who broke the law. HE deserves to be punished. CERN are not the employer, the University are. HE was seconded to CERN by the University. However, the actions HE took were done on HIS own. Had HE been directed to pirate the software by either CERN or the Univerity, then you may have a point. As it stands you do not. Pointless. I'm sure you are going to suggest draconian licensing terms, blah, blah, blah... The fact remains that the terms exist and, as a professional scientist, HE should have behaved ethically and operated within the confines of the license. End of discussion.
        JupiterMoon 11y ago