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Oh, come on. Just connect your Google router to your Google fiber connection and connect to it with your smartphone or laptop running a Google operating system

Oh, come on. Just connect your Google router to your Google fiber connection and connect to it with your smartphone or laptop running a Google operating system and Google browser. Visit your Google home page (using Google's DNS servers, of course) to read your Google Mail, or perhaps catch up on the news with Google News, or use Google+ to see what your friends are up to, or get a little work done on Google Docs. Should you do some Google searches and end up on some non-Google sites, don't worry - you're still safe under the watchful eye of Google AdSense and Google Analytics. What have you got to be so paranoid about?

ivanca 11y ago
The NSA should stop the charade and just buy Google and Facebook already. They already have us by the balls, lets at least make it official and make the world embrace the heroic and always rightful eye of the US government.
nota_bene 11y ago
Spot on. I don't get it. It's become so obvious and people still seem to categorically refuse to admit the elephant in the room and to act upon it. It's as if everybody was in some kind of unbreakable state of permanent cognitive paralysis.
- WA 11y ago
  And still, the HN crowd uses Gmail a lot. Here's the most technical crowd on the planet and people are obsessed with Gmail as if it was impossible to get email to work by any other means. Furthermore, I will never understand why people would use Gmail, if there's IMAP and hundreds of email clients to choose from. Same is true for Google Reader, that apparently caused a lot of buzz when it went away. Never understood this. The only Google product I use is Google Maps, and Google Search occasionally. Replaced the latter with DuckDuckGo mostly and works well most of the time.
  - leni536 11y ago
    I only use Google maps for public transport route planning, otherwise I use openstreetmap. And osmand on Android is freaking awesome.
  - greghill 11y ago
    Is the search as good or as fast at gmail on these IMAP clients? I used the mail app for iPhone for a while and it sure isn't.
    - WA 11y ago
      I use Mail on OS X and it is good enough for my purpose. Could certainly be a bit more sophisticated, but most of the time, it works. I like to have a real email client for my mails and not use a web app. There might be dedicated search engines for emails though, if search is very important. See, if you use search a lot and Google has the superior product for your use case, that's totally fine. But I guess most people use Gmail out of habit and not because it is truly superior to other email clients.
      - Albright 11y ago
        I'm with you here - I also find OS X's Mail plenty "good enough," including for search. And it works great for connecting to Google Mail accounts via IMAP…
    - toothbrush 11y ago
      Searching is a solved problem if you use OfflineIMAP to mirror your mail store locally, then run mu or notmuch on top of it. Honestly, it's faster for me to search my local mail store than using some web interface. Plus, i can do it in the train when i have no internet connection. I happily pay a few euros a month for an email server which provides me with IMAP.
  - Tepix 11y ago
    Agreed. Even if Gmail is superior in some regards (I don't know - is it? There must be a reason so many people use it), as a tech savvy person I consider it a matter of pride (and privacy of course) to run my own mailserver with project like Sovereign https://github.com/sovereign/sovereign https://github.com/sovereign/sovereign
- VikingCoder 11y ago
  How do you propose the common person act upon it? Don't get a Google Router. Okay. Don't use Google Fiber. Well, shucks - there's not a lot of 1,000 megabit ISPs in my area. Don't use a Chromebook. Okay. What virus scanner should I install, then? And where should I store my data for backup? And didn't we hear that Microsoft tried to have Windows 10 phone home every damn keystroke or something? Google browser. Fair enough, Firefox is decent. Google DNS. Fair enough, unless I have Google Fiber. Then it's kinda weird to not pair them. Google Mail. Something that looks like GMail has all of the problems of Google Mail. Is Microsoft really a better solution in your mind? Google News. Come now, the problem of monopoly in news existed long before Google News did. I'd rather people also use Google News than JUST CNN, MSNBC, or shudder, the other one. Google+. Right, because Facebook is so much better at respecting users. Google Docs. Again, is Microsoft really better? Or Microsoft + Dropbox? Google Search. What, I should use Bing? AdSense and Analytics. Not really my choice, is it? I genuinely ask this question. What do you think the common person could or should do, that would be better for them? What, the Apple computer, Apple router, Apple browser, Apple Mail, and Siri?
  - wuschel 11y ago
    Firefox may be a decent browser, but unfortunatly Mozilla has given in when it comes to adopting data kraken integration and has embedded software that can make Firefox en par with Chrome et al in the future. No more good guys, I am afraid. Mozilla profited greatly from being spread by hackers initially, but now they no longer qualify for being supported. No source here, I am on a crappy notebook, on the move.
  - Albright 11y ago
    At least by using a non-Google "free" mail service, file storage service, etc, you're distributing your mineable information among competing companies instead of handing it all over to a single entity. Or, you can do as I do and just find a reputable service you can just pay and not worry about it. (I pay Zoho $24 a year to host my mail.) > What, the Apple computer, Apple router, Apple browser, Apple Mail, and Siri? The difference between Apple's services and Google's equivalents is that Apple makes its money by selling you the boxes that the services run on - it doesn't directly profit on the services themselves. For Google, the service is the product, so if they can't make you pay for the service, then it has all incentive to data mine it for profit.
- NetDissent 11y ago
  Just finished reading 'The Circle' by Dave Eggers - think Google's monopoly and totalitarianism come true - and this just further reiterates how Google are become so pervasive and invasive in monetising off everyone's data and lack of privacy awareness. I'll go back to dial-up rather than have all my activity centralised in the Google ether.

ivanca 11y ago

The NSA should stop the charade and just buy Google and Facebook already. They already have us by the balls, lets at least make it official and make the world embrace the heroic and always rightful eye of the US government.

nota_bene 11y ago

Spot on. I don't get it. It's become so obvious and people still seem to categorically refuse to admit the elephant in the room and to act upon it. It's as if everybody was in some kind of unbreakable state of permanent cognitive paralysis.

WA 11y ago
And still, the HN crowd uses Gmail a lot. Here's the most technical crowd on the planet and people are obsessed with Gmail as if it was impossible to get email to work by any other means. Furthermore, I will never understand why people would use Gmail, if there's IMAP and hundreds of email clients to choose from. Same is true for Google Reader, that apparently caused a lot of buzz when it went away. Never understood this. The only Google product I use is Google Maps, and Google Search occasionally. Replaced the latter with DuckDuckGo mostly and works well most of the time.
- leni536 11y ago
  I only use Google maps for public transport route planning, otherwise I use openstreetmap. And osmand on Android is freaking awesome.
- greghill 11y ago
  Is the search as good or as fast at gmail on these IMAP clients? I used the mail app for iPhone for a while and it sure isn't.
  - WA 11y ago
    I use Mail on OS X and it is good enough for my purpose. Could certainly be a bit more sophisticated, but most of the time, it works. I like to have a real email client for my mails and not use a web app. There might be dedicated search engines for emails though, if search is very important. See, if you use search a lot and Google has the superior product for your use case, that's totally fine. But I guess most people use Gmail out of habit and not because it is truly superior to other email clients.
    - Albright 11y ago
      I'm with you here - I also find OS X's Mail plenty "good enough," including for search. And it works great for connecting to Google Mail accounts via IMAP…
  - toothbrush 11y ago
    Searching is a solved problem if you use OfflineIMAP to mirror your mail store locally, then run mu or notmuch on top of it. Honestly, it's faster for me to search my local mail store than using some web interface. Plus, i can do it in the train when i have no internet connection. I happily pay a few euros a month for an email server which provides me with IMAP.
- Tepix 11y ago
  Agreed. Even if Gmail is superior in some regards (I don't know - is it? There must be a reason so many people use it), as a tech savvy person I consider it a matter of pride (and privacy of course) to run my own mailserver with project like Sovereign https://github.com/sovereign/sovereign https://github.com/sovereign/sovereign
VikingCoder 11y ago
How do you propose the common person act upon it? Don't get a Google Router. Okay. Don't use Google Fiber. Well, shucks - there's not a lot of 1,000 megabit ISPs in my area. Don't use a Chromebook. Okay. What virus scanner should I install, then? And where should I store my data for backup? And didn't we hear that Microsoft tried to have Windows 10 phone home every damn keystroke or something? Google browser. Fair enough, Firefox is decent. Google DNS. Fair enough, unless I have Google Fiber. Then it's kinda weird to not pair them. Google Mail. Something that looks like GMail has all of the problems of Google Mail. Is Microsoft really a better solution in your mind? Google News. Come now, the problem of monopoly in news existed long before Google News did. I'd rather people also use Google News than JUST CNN, MSNBC, or shudder, the other one. Google+. Right, because Facebook is so much better at respecting users. Google Docs. Again, is Microsoft really better? Or Microsoft + Dropbox? Google Search. What, I should use Bing? AdSense and Analytics. Not really my choice, is it? I genuinely ask this question. What do you think the common person could or should do, that would be better for them? What, the Apple computer, Apple router, Apple browser, Apple Mail, and Siri?
- wuschel 11y ago
  Firefox may be a decent browser, but unfortunatly Mozilla has given in when it comes to adopting data kraken integration and has embedded software that can make Firefox en par with Chrome et al in the future. No more good guys, I am afraid. Mozilla profited greatly from being spread by hackers initially, but now they no longer qualify for being supported. No source here, I am on a crappy notebook, on the move.
- Albright 11y ago
  At least by using a non-Google "free" mail service, file storage service, etc, you're distributing your mineable information among competing companies instead of handing it all over to a single entity. Or, you can do as I do and just find a reputable service you can just pay and not worry about it. (I pay Zoho $24 a year to host my mail.) > What, the Apple computer, Apple router, Apple browser, Apple Mail, and Siri? The difference between Apple's services and Google's equivalents is that Apple makes its money by selling you the boxes that the services run on - it doesn't directly profit on the services themselves. For Google, the service is the product, so if they can't make you pay for the service, then it has all incentive to data mine it for profit.
NetDissent 11y ago
Just finished reading 'The Circle' by Dave Eggers - think Google's monopoly and totalitarianism come true - and this just further reiterates how Google are become so pervasive and invasive in monetising off everyone's data and lack of privacy awareness. I'll go back to dial-up rather than have all my activity centralised in the Google ether.