Totally fair, and agreed on the value of such a discussion; Same deal - seen/lived both. It requires fundamental cultural change (PM plays a big part). When the

Totally fair, and agreed on the value of such a discussion; Same deal - seen/lived both. It requires fundamental cultural change (PM plays a big part). When the discussion starts with teams engaging in poorly defined scrum, I usually reference: https://www.scrum.org/ScrumBut https://www.scrum.org/ScrumBut.