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jgc is the author of the linked email, and this submission initially had a title that implied Cloudlfare was laying out plans for the future governance.

by pygy_ 11y ago

logicrime 11y ago
Yeah I know, the Silicon Valley/Gay area hivemind is downvoting my confronting JGC about all this.
- jgrahamc 11y ago
  What has gay got to do with this?
  - pygy_ 11y ago
    Obvious troll is trolling, I guess.
  - logicrime 11y ago
    Considering that people only know your name because of your obsession with Turing, I'd say it's merely an interesting coincidence.
    - dang 11y ago
      A comment like this is a bannable offence on HN, especially when the account has made many previous comments that were uncivil or unsubstantive, as this one has. Your account has some great comments in its history too, though. You clearly know how to use HN as intended. Please just do that from now on.
      - logicrime 11y ago
        What was the best case scenario (in your opinion) for this message? My mission is to speak the truth, ONLY the truth. I don't mind ruffling feathers along the way, especially in regards to JGC, who is actively taking steps to destroy the FOSS principles of the LuaJIT project. I'd sooner see myself banned than retract or apologize for a single character of anything I've said thus far, or plan to say soon.
        dang 11y ago
        I'm not sure I understand your question, but there are lots of ways to speak the truth, and on HN you're expected to do so civilly and substantively. Personal attacks are especially not allowed. Sometimes people justify their uncivil, unsubstantive comments by posing as warriors for the truth and so on, but this is silly, because the truth isn't served by such posturing at all, and rudeness makes a comment less persuasive.
        logicrime 11y ago
        Read that back and ask yourself how many commas you really needed.
        jgrahamc 11y ago
        All this is being driven by Mike Pall who created LuaJIT. If you really think that I, personally, am "actively taking steps to destroy the FOSS principles of the LuaJIT project" then get involved on the Lua mailing list and ensure that whatever principles you want are maintained. The biggest disconnect I have with you is that you are asserting that I am messing up the FOSS nature of LuaJIT but I don't see how moving it to Github (with Mike's help), getting people involved as widely as possible etc. is doing that. What, specifically, are you concerned about in what I/CloudFlare are doing?
        logicrime 11y ago
        Another thin lie to appease the foolish? Why hasn't Mike weighed in on this? I tweeted Mike on twitter and it was you and some other twat who were so quick to tell me how FOSS-friendly the project was, yet I've every suspicion that this project will end up in tears and LuaJIT will end up in a dark corner of CF's internals. I'm not asking you to be held responsible for CF business, that'd be unreasonable. I might be a rude halfwit, but I know where the boundary lies. Though I've mentioned it already multiple times, I'll reiterate a final time: Absolutely no concrete assurance (from CF officially) that the LuaJIT project will be developed openly. It has been moved to GitHub, distancing it from the long-appreciated mailing list and cementing it's position ion a platform that openly censors projects and actively enforces a code of conduct to further the narrative that code should take peoples' feelings into consideration. Github is widely used, and most of the alternatives suck, so it's an understandable sin. On top of all that, the murky posts on the actual list indicate no significant progress has been made on figuring out a new direction for the project, and little to no effort has been made to do more than announce to the community what's (allegedly) going on. Finally, the biggest disconnect between you and I is that if someone offered me money to take over a FOSS project and move to behind closed doors of a huge corporation, instead of agreeing and playing sock-puppet on mailing lists and twitter (who does that sound like?), I would out them to the community. I'm not asking for you to make changes, just voicing my dissent and my intent to take aggressive, direct action.

jgc is the author of the linked email, and this submission initially had a title that implied Cloudlfare was laying out plans for the future governance.

by pygy_ 11y ago

jgc is the author of the linked email, and this submission initially had a title that implied Cloudlfare was laying out plans for the future governance.

logicrime 11y ago

Yeah I know, the Silicon Valley/Gay area hivemind is downvoting my confronting JGC about all this.

jgrahamc 11y ago
What has gay got to do with this?
- pygy_ 11y ago
  Obvious troll is trolling, I guess.
- logicrime 11y ago
  Considering that people only know your name because of your obsession with Turing, I'd say it's merely an interesting coincidence.
  - dang 11y ago
    A comment like this is a bannable offence on HN, especially when the account has made many previous comments that were uncivil or unsubstantive, as this one has. Your account has some great comments in its history too, though. You clearly know how to use HN as intended. Please just do that from now on.
    - logicrime 11y ago
      What was the best case scenario (in your opinion) for this message? My mission is to speak the truth, ONLY the truth. I don't mind ruffling feathers along the way, especially in regards to JGC, who is actively taking steps to destroy the FOSS principles of the LuaJIT project. I'd sooner see myself banned than retract or apologize for a single character of anything I've said thus far, or plan to say soon.
      - dang 11y ago
        I'm not sure I understand your question, but there are lots of ways to speak the truth, and on HN you're expected to do so civilly and substantively. Personal attacks are especially not allowed. Sometimes people justify their uncivil, unsubstantive comments by posing as warriors for the truth and so on, but this is silly, because the truth isn't served by such posturing at all, and rudeness makes a comment less persuasive.
        logicrime 11y ago
        Read that back and ask yourself how many commas you really needed.
      - jgrahamc 11y ago
        All this is being driven by Mike Pall who created LuaJIT. If you really think that I, personally, am "actively taking steps to destroy the FOSS principles of the LuaJIT project" then get involved on the Lua mailing list and ensure that whatever principles you want are maintained. The biggest disconnect I have with you is that you are asserting that I am messing up the FOSS nature of LuaJIT but I don't see how moving it to Github (with Mike's help), getting people involved as widely as possible etc. is doing that. What, specifically, are you concerned about in what I/CloudFlare are doing?
        logicrime 11y ago
        Another thin lie to appease the foolish? Why hasn't Mike weighed in on this? I tweeted Mike on twitter and it was you and some other twat who were so quick to tell me how FOSS-friendly the project was, yet I've every suspicion that this project will end up in tears and LuaJIT will end up in a dark corner of CF's internals. I'm not asking you to be held responsible for CF business, that'd be unreasonable. I might be a rude halfwit, but I know where the boundary lies. Though I've mentioned it already multiple times, I'll reiterate a final time: Absolutely no concrete assurance (from CF officially) that the LuaJIT project will be developed openly. It has been moved to GitHub, distancing it from the long-appreciated mailing list and cementing it's position ion a platform that openly censors projects and actively enforces a code of conduct to further the narrative that code should take peoples' feelings into consideration. Github is widely used, and most of the alternatives suck, so it's an understandable sin. On top of all that, the murky posts on the actual list indicate no significant progress has been made on figuring out a new direction for the project, and little to no effort has been made to do more than announce to the community what's (allegedly) going on. Finally, the biggest disconnect between you and I is that if someone offered me money to take over a FOSS project and move to behind closed doors of a huge corporation, instead of agreeing and playing sock-puppet on mailing lists and twitter (who does that sound like?), I would out them to the community. I'm not asking for you to make changes, just voicing my dissent and my intent to take aggressive, direct action.