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They don't place themselves in buckets, nature does. Their sex is whatever they are born as, their gender is a different dimension. And as I stated, I don't

by dudul 11y ago

They don't place themselves in buckets, nature does. Their sex is whatever they are born as, their gender is a different dimension. And as I stated, I don't see any reason why a teacher should care what gender they identify as.

sp332 11y ago
I think we're agreeing about how little it matters. And the whole point of the article is not to divide kids into groups based on gender. Two examples: For example, when lining students up for lunch, rather than saying, “Girls line up first,” try saying, “Anyone wearing a green shirt can line up,” or “If your name has an ‘E’ please line up.” For example, rather than only inviting girls to learn a dance during recess, invite all students, including the boys, to dance. And one of the recommendations is "avoid asking students to identify as male or female unless it is absolutely necessary". So I guess I don't see where you disagree with the article, since it says pretty much the same thing.
- dudul 11y ago
  I disagree with the statement that when it is absolutely necessary to ask them to identify as male or female there should be a third option (or an empty line to write whatever). My hypothesis is that there are no valid reasons to ask them to state their identified gender, therefore the aforementioned forms are asking about sex and there are only 2 options, so no need for an empty line. I may be wrong. Other commenters wrote that - there are no valid reasons to ask for sex either, but they didn't provide an argument - there are more than 2 sexes, but didn't mention any other option.
  - sp332 11y ago
    Expand your imagination a little. http://www.nature.com/news/sex-redefined-1.16943 http://www.nature.com/news/sex-redefined-1.16943 And that doesn't even mention chromosomal differences like X, XXX, XXY, XYY, or XXYY https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XYY_syndrome https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XYY_syndrome

by dudul 11y ago

sp332 11y ago

I think we're agreeing about how little it matters. And the whole point of the article is not to divide kids into groups based on gender. Two examples: For example, when lining students up for lunch, rather than saying, “Girls line up first,” try saying, “Anyone wearing a green shirt can line up,” or “If your name has an ‘E’ please line up.” For example, rather than only inviting girls to learn a dance during recess, invite all students, including the boys, to dance. And one of the recommendations is "avoid asking students to identify as male or female unless it is absolutely necessary". So I guess I don't see where you disagree with the article, since it says pretty much the same thing.

dudul 11y ago
I disagree with the statement that when it is absolutely necessary to ask them to identify as male or female there should be a third option (or an empty line to write whatever). My hypothesis is that there are no valid reasons to ask them to state their identified gender, therefore the aforementioned forms are asking about sex and there are only 2 options, so no need for an empty line. I may be wrong. Other commenters wrote that - there are no valid reasons to ask for sex either, but they didn't provide an argument - there are more than 2 sexes, but didn't mention any other option.
- sp332 11y ago
  Expand your imagination a little. http://www.nature.com/news/sex-redefined-1.16943 http://www.nature.com/news/sex-redefined-1.16943 And that doesn't even mention chromosomal differences like X, XXX, XXY, XYY, or XXYY https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XYY_syndrome https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XYY_syndrome