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> you are also violating free speech Of course, since the example you described is an interaction between two private parties, there is no legal notion of free

> you are also violating free speech Of course, since the example you described is an interaction between two private parties, there is no legal notion of free speech to violate.

Retric 11y ago
The airwaves are considered a public space so it's not two private parties and the rules are different. (You can't just use air raid sirens to disrupt a public protest.) However, at a minimum you are likely to run into issues with the computer fraud and abuse act because your interfering with two other parties, and that has rather stiff penalties. PS: Random noise is one thing; hacking someone’s Wi-Fi even using such a simplistic approach is very different.
- sliverstorm 11y ago
  It's two private parties acting in a public space. It may still be illegal to interfere, but the first amendment protects you from the government, not from other individuals. You can't just use air raid sirens to disrupt a public protest I'm not 100% up on my civil rights/protest law, but if you are a private party, I suspect you could. It is, for example, 100% legal to surround a protest with other people holding sheets to block them & their signs from view.
  - Retric 11y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disturbing_the_peace https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disturbing_the_peace This can include creating loud noise Of note: A violation of a noise ordinance is in most jurisdictions not considered a disturbance of the peace unless the perpetrator has disregarded an affirmative request that he or she reduce the noise to a reasonable level. However, that would be implied in the air raid siren case. Anyway, I agree it's not the 4th that's the issue. But, it's still unlawful conduct.
    - sliverstorm 11y ago
      Ok, maybe no air raid sirens. But you could talk over them, which is a bit more analogous to what was done here :)
      - Retric 11y ago
        Talking over each other would be the same as running two or ten routers on the same channel, which is not an issue. This approach actively prevents communication.
        sliverstorm 11y ago
        So... more like pressing the "hang-up" button while they talk on their phone, or pulling the plug on their loudspeaker?

> you are also violating free speech Of course, since the example you described is an interaction between two private parties, there is no legal notion of free speech to violate.

Retric 11y ago

The airwaves are considered a public space so it's not two private parties and the rules are different. (You can't just use air raid sirens to disrupt a public protest.) However, at a minimum you are likely to run into issues with the computer fraud and abuse act because your interfering with two other parties, and that has rather stiff penalties. PS: Random noise is one thing; hacking someone’s Wi-Fi even using such a simplistic approach is very different.

sliverstorm 11y ago
It's two private parties acting in a public space. It may still be illegal to interfere, but the first amendment protects you from the government, not from other individuals. You can't just use air raid sirens to disrupt a public protest I'm not 100% up on my civil rights/protest law, but if you are a private party, I suspect you could. It is, for example, 100% legal to surround a protest with other people holding sheets to block them & their signs from view.
- Retric 11y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disturbing_the_peace https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disturbing_the_peace This can include creating loud noise Of note: A violation of a noise ordinance is in most jurisdictions not considered a disturbance of the peace unless the perpetrator has disregarded an affirmative request that he or she reduce the noise to a reasonable level. However, that would be implied in the air raid siren case. Anyway, I agree it's not the 4th that's the issue. But, it's still unlawful conduct.
  - sliverstorm 11y ago
    Ok, maybe no air raid sirens. But you could talk over them, which is a bit more analogous to what was done here :)
    - Retric 11y ago
      Talking over each other would be the same as running two or ten routers on the same channel, which is not an issue. This approach actively prevents communication.
      - sliverstorm 11y ago
        So... more like pressing the "hang-up" button while they talk on their phone, or pulling the plug on their loudspeaker?