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It sounds like your university needs fixing. I went to a run of the mill State school in the US, and it was made abundantly clear that cheating on an exam woul

It sounds like your university needs fixing. I went to a run of the mill State school in the US, and it was made abundantly clear that cheating on an exam would be followed by expulsion. It was pretty rare that I heard of anybody doing so. I'd recommend going ahead and having those kids expelled, or at least starting the process and taking it as far as you can go (before the university has to step in and make a point of stopping it). Change has to begin somewhere, so why not with you? Edited to add: I don't really buy the economic argument either. A top school has a pretty long list of kids wanting to get in. They could toss out half the current students each year and never run in to an issue filling back up the next year. If anything, it would only serve to improve their reputation as an "elite" school where you really do have to pull your weight to make it through. By the time you're out on the street, they have your money. If tossing out a few cheaters makes the class size a bit smaller for the rest of the semester, that also can't be anything but a net good.

mafribe 11y ago
cheating on an exam I was talking about coursework and dissertations. Cheating on exams is harder, although not impossible (e.g. bathroom breaks). it was made abundantly clear We also make this abundantly clear. But when they get caught (which is already rare), we issue warnings, send them on courses where they learn how properly to quote and so on. 10 strikes and you are out ... so why not with you? Because life is short because I don't like tilting at windmills, because I have better things to do, and because I believe in specialisation. I didn't sign up to be a police man, and I have no skills in this direction. Our department actually used to pay somebody to scan rent-a-coder.com and we also used turnitin.com. The former was abandoned and the latter was reduced to a student service (i.e. they could check their coursework before submission)! We were never really given a reason why. One has one's suspicions ... having those kids expelled What in your opinion is the cost, financially, in terms of time and reputation, of dealing with all the law-suits that the aggrieved and high-paying parents of the expelled students are sure to launch? (Aka "my precious child a common cheater? Never, we raised her well, it must be your fault!") A top school [...] could toss out half the current students LOL. In 1837, Hong Xiuquan failed the imperial examination and was denied his dream to enter the Qing dynasty's civil service. This lead to the Taiping Rebellion, one of the bloodiest conflicts in human history. I really don't want to know what would happen if you fire 1/2 of Harvard students in the time of helicopter parents and tiger mothers, Lord have mercy!
- jasonkester 11y ago
  "my precious child a common cheater? Never, we raised her well, it must be your fault!" Clearly I've been living abroad too long. I had completely forgotten about this aspect of the American psyche. You're right. No amount of having done something wrong will ever be enough to make something an American's fault. I remember golfing with a guy and hooking a ball into somebody's yard, saying something along the lines of "glad I didn't break that window." He then went on to explain his view that the golf course should pay for things like that, since it would clearly not be his fault if he hit a ball through somebody's window. Expel that guy's kid, and I can see what you mean. Good luck fighting the good fight!

mafribe 11y ago

cheating on an exam I was talking about coursework and dissertations. Cheating on exams is harder, although not impossible (e.g. bathroom breaks). it was made abundantly clear We also make this abundantly clear. But when they get caught (which is already rare), we issue warnings, send them on courses where they learn how properly to quote and so on. 10 strikes and you are out ... so why not with you? Because life is short because I don't like tilting at windmills, because I have better things to do, and because I believe in specialisation. I didn't sign up to be a police man, and I have no skills in this direction. Our department actually used to pay somebody to scan rent-a-coder.com and we also used turnitin.com. The former was abandoned and the latter was reduced to a student service (i.e. they could check their coursework before submission)! We were never really given a reason why. One has one's suspicions ... having those kids expelled What in your opinion is the cost, financially, in terms of time and reputation, of dealing with all the law-suits that the aggrieved and high-paying parents of the expelled students are sure to launch? (Aka "my precious child a common cheater? Never, we raised her well, it must be your fault!") A top school [...] could toss out half the current students LOL. In 1837, Hong Xiuquan failed the imperial examination and was denied his dream to enter the Qing dynasty's civil service. This lead to the Taiping Rebellion, one of the bloodiest conflicts in human history. I really don't want to know what would happen if you fire 1/2 of Harvard students in the time of helicopter parents and tiger mothers, Lord have mercy!

jasonkester 11y ago
"my precious child a common cheater? Never, we raised her well, it must be your fault!" Clearly I've been living abroad too long. I had completely forgotten about this aspect of the American psyche. You're right. No amount of having done something wrong will ever be enough to make something an American's fault. I remember golfing with a guy and hooking a ball into somebody's yard, saying something along the lines of "glad I didn't break that window." He then went on to explain his view that the golf course should pay for things like that, since it would clearly not be his fault if he hit a ball through somebody's window. Expel that guy's kid, and I can see what you mean. Good luck fighting the good fight!