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I just don't see the point, I have a 2015 Retina Macbook Pro and a 1080p 24" Dell monitor and can hardly feel any difference. It might have to do with the scali

I just don't see the point, I have a 2015 Retina Macbook Pro and a 1080p 24" Dell monitor and can hardly feel any difference. It might have to do with the scaling though. I wish they stopped with the pixel race or at least made it easy for the user to opt-out. 1080p is still pretty great for any mid size laptop and maybe then I'd be able to run Mission Control at more than 5fps.

JustSomeNobody 11y ago
Stop with the pixel race? Seriously? Monitors have been stagnant for a decade. Look at how many laptop screens are stuck STILL at 1366X768. What pixel race are you talking about?
- soylentcola 11y ago
  I have to agree here. Even today when (as the blog claims) 4K is "here", I had to specifically request even a 2560x1440 display at work for the modest amount of video and photo editing I do here. I spoiled myself at home with a similar display (one of the barebones 2560x1440 models they used to sell at Microcenter) and going to 1920x1080 at work was killing me. I'm sure that a lot of it depends on usage (when doesn't it?) and even web browsing involved a lot of CTRL-scrolling the first time I visit a page to scale the text and images up. Still, being able to work on plain old 1080p video with room for a timeline and tools is incredibly useful and moving from a TN panel to IPS made it easier to get more accurate colors. On one hand, the number of cheap 1920x1080 TN panels that have trickled down to even cheap notebook and desktop displays is a good thing but it seems like we're just starting to see better than that now that 4K and 5K are hitting the high end. Outside of watching movies, I can't think of anywhere that 1920x1080 would be all you'd want.
- backtoyoujim 11y ago
  I think that manufacturers have been busy pushing small screen pixel density for tablets & phones. So there has been a race just not the forefront at the large display or laptop markets.
  - JustSomeNobody 11y ago
    Agreed, however, the context wasn't tablets & phones.
    - backtoyoujim 11y ago
      It is not the context, but that context could help explain the lack of R&D at those segments.
huxley 11y ago
Sounds like something might be wrong with your MacBook Pro, I would get it checked out. My 2015 13" MacBook Pro pretty consistently shows between 20-35 fps (measured with Quartz Debug Framerate) when using Mission Control.
lawnchair_larry 11y ago
You should get your eyes looked at. Most people have trouble going back to 1080p after using a Retina. The difference is incredible.
mikhailt 11y ago
There is a massive difference in text sharpness when comparing a rMBP 15" (900p in 2x) screen vs. 1080p 24" monitor, there are absolutely no doubts about this. If you have perfect eyesight or exceed it, you would be affected less than the average users who will notice the difference. Are you sure you're not referring to the usable workspace? The usable workspace is half the native resolution when using the default 2x setting on OS X, in your case it is 1440x900 resolution or 900p on your 15" rMBP. The text should be very easy for your eyes to read for several hours compared to your 24" screen. For me, as I use the computer for more than 8-10 hours every day for work, Retina/Hi-DPI has helped with tired eyes at the end of the day. Eyestrain issues are like nonexistant with retina displays for me.

JustSomeNobody 11y ago

Stop with the pixel race? Seriously? Monitors have been stagnant for a decade. Look at how many laptop screens are stuck STILL at 1366X768. What pixel race are you talking about?

soylentcola 11y ago
I have to agree here. Even today when (as the blog claims) 4K is "here", I had to specifically request even a 2560x1440 display at work for the modest amount of video and photo editing I do here. I spoiled myself at home with a similar display (one of the barebones 2560x1440 models they used to sell at Microcenter) and going to 1920x1080 at work was killing me. I'm sure that a lot of it depends on usage (when doesn't it?) and even web browsing involved a lot of CTRL-scrolling the first time I visit a page to scale the text and images up. Still, being able to work on plain old 1080p video with room for a timeline and tools is incredibly useful and moving from a TN panel to IPS made it easier to get more accurate colors. On one hand, the number of cheap 1920x1080 TN panels that have trickled down to even cheap notebook and desktop displays is a good thing but it seems like we're just starting to see better than that now that 4K and 5K are hitting the high end. Outside of watching movies, I can't think of anywhere that 1920x1080 would be all you'd want.
backtoyoujim 11y ago
I think that manufacturers have been busy pushing small screen pixel density for tablets & phones. So there has been a race just not the forefront at the large display or laptop markets.
- JustSomeNobody 11y ago
  Agreed, however, the context wasn't tablets & phones.
  - backtoyoujim 11y ago
    It is not the context, but that context could help explain the lack of R&D at those segments.

huxley 11y ago

Sounds like something might be wrong with your MacBook Pro, I would get it checked out. My 2015 13" MacBook Pro pretty consistently shows between 20-35 fps (measured with Quartz Debug Framerate) when using Mission Control.

lawnchair_larry 11y ago

You should get your eyes looked at. Most people have trouble going back to 1080p after using a Retina. The difference is incredible.

mikhailt 11y ago

There is a massive difference in text sharpness when comparing a rMBP 15" (900p in 2x) screen vs. 1080p 24" monitor, there are absolutely no doubts about this. If you have perfect eyesight or exceed it, you would be affected less than the average users who will notice the difference. Are you sure you're not referring to the usable workspace? The usable workspace is half the native resolution when using the default 2x setting on OS X, in your case it is 1440x900 resolution or 900p on your 15" rMBP. The text should be very easy for your eyes to read for several hours compared to your 24" screen. For me, as I use the computer for more than 8-10 hours every day for work, Retina/Hi-DPI has helped with tired eyes at the end of the day. Eyestrain issues are like nonexistant with retina displays for me.