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How would you possibly move beyond rule by force?

by unchocked 11y ago

x3n0ph3n3 11y ago
I don't think you can. Rule by force permeates the entirety of nature.
- danharaj 11y ago
  That's what they said about the rule of gods and kings.
  - Turing_Machine 11y ago
    God-king is a pretty good way of describing the current leader of North Korea. Please note that the Roman Empire came after the Roman Republic, the French Empire (which, granted, didn't last all that long) came after the first French Republic, and Nazi Germany (another god-king situation) came after the Weimar Republic. History doesn't run just one way, unfortunately.
  - x3n0ph3n3 11y ago
    Unless you want to consider the alpha of any pack animal a "king", I think we can easily agree that "gods and kings" came out of human civilization. Rule by force is much older, though.
    - danharaj 11y ago
      http://knowledgenuts.com/2014/01/11/the-alpha-wolfe-is-an-outdated-myth/ http://knowledgenuts.com/2014/01/11/the-alpha-wolfe-is-an-ou...
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danharaj 11y ago
I hope in your day-to-day interactions with others, at the very least you strive for cooperation based on common understanding, social bonding, and mutual aid. Even at my place of work, which has an implied hierarchy with force backing it up, I strive for this. When people need to pull rank or exert force, something is wrong. People who work together well work together without force. Force is how you get people to do what you want when they don't want to do it. The only way you can think force is inevitable is if you think you can't live harmoniously with other people. To look beyond force as a means of social organization, one must be an optimist, but when you do that, you find all around you possibilities. The relationships that nourish and support us most fully are the least violent ones.
- jqm 11y ago
  Meh... it'll probably just be replace by rule by corruption and deception. Force is probably cleaner given the choice.
- unchocked 11y ago
  Yeah, no problem with your sweet outlook, though I don't appreciate the personalization of your response. But what would I do if some unenlightened person sought to compel me through the threat of force?
  - danharaj 11y ago
    You resist them with force. Of course that's a little facetious. There's more to resisting force than simply meeting it with force in opposition. People live lives of resistance in all walks of life, and finding ways to get around hard, inflexible enforced conditions is useful to even powerful people. In general, the answer to your question is exactly determined b y the nature and context of the force. Personally, I am a nonconfrontational person. I think avoiding confrontation has helped me find ways to deal with people who throw their authority around. On the subject of physical violence, well I don't want to spill personal details like that on a public forum.
    - unchocked 11y ago

How would you possibly move beyond rule by force?

x3n0ph3n3 11y ago

I don't think you can. Rule by force permeates the entirety of nature.

danharaj 11y ago
That's what they said about the rule of gods and kings.
- Turing_Machine 11y ago
  God-king is a pretty good way of describing the current leader of North Korea. Please note that the Roman Empire came after the Roman Republic, the French Empire (which, granted, didn't last all that long) came after the first French Republic, and Nazi Germany (another god-king situation) came after the Weimar Republic. History doesn't run just one way, unfortunately.
- x3n0ph3n3 11y ago
  Unless you want to consider the alpha of any pack animal a "king", I think we can easily agree that "gods and kings" came out of human civilization. Rule by force is much older, though.
  - danharaj 11y ago
    http://knowledgenuts.com/2014/01/11/the-alpha-wolfe-is-an-outdated-myth/ http://knowledgenuts.com/2014/01/11/the-alpha-wolfe-is-an-ou...
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danharaj 11y ago

I hope in your day-to-day interactions with others, at the very least you strive for cooperation based on common understanding, social bonding, and mutual aid. Even at my place of work, which has an implied hierarchy with force backing it up, I strive for this. When people need to pull rank or exert force, something is wrong. People who work together well work together without force. Force is how you get people to do what you want when they don't want to do it. The only way you can think force is inevitable is if you think you can't live harmoniously with other people. To look beyond force as a means of social organization, one must be an optimist, but when you do that, you find all around you possibilities. The relationships that nourish and support us most fully are the least violent ones.

jqm 11y ago
Meh... it'll probably just be replace by rule by corruption and deception. Force is probably cleaner given the choice.
unchocked 11y ago
Yeah, no problem with your sweet outlook, though I don't appreciate the personalization of your response. But what would I do if some unenlightened person sought to compel me through the threat of force?
- danharaj 11y ago
  You resist them with force. Of course that's a little facetious. There's more to resisting force than simply meeting it with force in opposition. People live lives of resistance in all walks of life, and finding ways to get around hard, inflexible enforced conditions is useful to even powerful people. In general, the answer to your question is exactly determined b y the nature and context of the force. Personally, I am a nonconfrontational person. I think avoiding confrontation has helped me find ways to deal with people who throw their authority around. On the subject of physical violence, well I don't want to spill personal details like that on a public forum.
  - unchocked 11y ago