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On this point, you are very wrong. There are large immigrant communities all through the Midwest, Great Lakes, and plains states. And if that isn't good enough,

by blueben 17y ago

On this point, you are very wrong. There are large immigrant communities all through the Midwest, Great Lakes, and plains states. And if that isn't good enough, we have another tool in our box. We can find incentive's (or simply create regulations) to encourage immigrants to specific locations. I do find your jaded anti-entrepreneurial comment to be unnecessarily vicious and ignorant though.

codexon 17y ago
On this point, you are very wrong. There are large immigrant communities all through the Midwest, Great Lakes, and plains states. I am wrong? Where is your proof, or did you just pull this idea straight from thin air as I find many HN readers doing these days to support their delusions? Here is my proof. http://www.census.gov/population/www/socdemo/foreign/maps/TFB_Pntdist.pdf http://www.census.gov/population/www/socdemo/foreign/maps/TF... http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/statistics/publications/ill_pe_2006.pdf http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/statistics/publications/i... So you are going to compare 3-5% foreign born population as something significant compared to 17-26% in areas like Florida and New York? Keep in mind that the total population in a state like New York is several magnitudes larger than these "Midwest" and "Great Lakes" states. The illegal immigration chart points out that the only great lakes state on the top 10 immigrant states is Illinois which is unsurprisingly home to the massively crowded city of Chicago. None of the other types of cities you state rank in the top 10 where the last 10 is a measily 2%. Compare this with California (25%), Texas (14%), or Florida (8%), and there is simply no comparison. We can find incentive's (or simply create regulations) to encourage immigrants to specific locations. Ok, you and your unproven incentives can magically force immigrants to move into jobless areas where xenophobia is high. Great logic. I do find your jaded anti-entrepreneurial comment to be unnecessarily vicious and ignorant though. How is it vicious and ignorant? This is the logical conclusion, and knowing other entrepreneurs like myself, this is the current evaluation of the system. The system does not favor native employees. Next time I suggest checking your reasoning before making unsubstantiated claims, despite how badly you want your beliefs to be true.
- blueben 17y ago
  Why so angry? You just made my claim for me. %5 is nothing to sneeze at. Further, the US is more than a "top 10" list. You cannot simply discard vast portions of the country because they don't appear in the top 10 list and thusly don't support your argument. Meanwhile, why would all new immigrants will automatically go to the largest existing community? Do you have any evidence to support this claim? Has someone conducted a poll asking potential immigrants where they'd like to be, and found that these are the most likely states? Regarding xenophobia, Texas has a significant immigrant population and is also anecdotaly considered a very xenophobic state. Can you resolve your claim that immigrants won't go to xenophobic areas with the reality that is Texas? How about Southern California, which has struggled with race and immigration fears for over a decade? And what kind of person suggests that the entire inner corridor of the US is xenophobic anyway? Are you seriously claiming that every town from Ohio to Nevada to Louisiana to Idaho is xenophobic? That is a stunningly offensive, unfounded, and unsupportable argument. "Next time", I suggest not lecturing others about "next time" in the middle of a conversation. It implies that you believe you have "won" the conversation (which, being a reasonable person having a reasonable discussion, you wouldn't do, right?), it doesn't make you sound like a particularly pleasant person, and it doesn't add to the conversation.
  - codexon 17y ago
    Why so angry? Because you just called me "very wrong", as well as "unnecessarily vicious and ignorant". %5 is nothing to sneeze at. It appears that you didn't even bother to read. Illinois is home to Chicago, home of one of the largest cities in the US. There is nothing rural about it not to mention having one of the highest murder rates in the nation. Meanwhile, why would all new immigrants will automatically go to the largest existing community? Do you have any evidence to support this claim? I presented to you 2 pieces of evidence from the US government, while all you have done is produced anecdotes and refusals to believe the facts. By now it is clear that you are trying very hard to ignore all the evidence, so I am done conversing with you.

by blueben 17y ago

codexon 17y ago

On this point, you are very wrong. There are large immigrant communities all through the Midwest, Great Lakes, and plains states. I am wrong? Where is your proof, or did you just pull this idea straight from thin air as I find many HN readers doing these days to support their delusions? Here is my proof. http://www.census.gov/population/www/socdemo/foreign/maps/TFB_Pntdist.pdf http://www.census.gov/population/www/socdemo/foreign/maps/TF... http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/statistics/publications/ill_pe_2006.pdf http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/statistics/publications/i... So you are going to compare 3-5% foreign born population as something significant compared to 17-26% in areas like Florida and New York? Keep in mind that the total population in a state like New York is several magnitudes larger than these "Midwest" and "Great Lakes" states. The illegal immigration chart points out that the only great lakes state on the top 10 immigrant states is Illinois which is unsurprisingly home to the massively crowded city of Chicago. None of the other types of cities you state rank in the top 10 where the last 10 is a measily 2%. Compare this with California (25%), Texas (14%), or Florida (8%), and there is simply no comparison. We can find incentive's (or simply create regulations) to encourage immigrants to specific locations. Ok, you and your unproven incentives can magically force immigrants to move into jobless areas where xenophobia is high. Great logic. I do find your jaded anti-entrepreneurial comment to be unnecessarily vicious and ignorant though. How is it vicious and ignorant? This is the logical conclusion, and knowing other entrepreneurs like myself, this is the current evaluation of the system. The system does not favor native employees. Next time I suggest checking your reasoning before making unsubstantiated claims, despite how badly you want your beliefs to be true.

blueben 17y ago
Why so angry? You just made my claim for me. %5 is nothing to sneeze at. Further, the US is more than a "top 10" list. You cannot simply discard vast portions of the country because they don't appear in the top 10 list and thusly don't support your argument. Meanwhile, why would all new immigrants will automatically go to the largest existing community? Do you have any evidence to support this claim? Has someone conducted a poll asking potential immigrants where they'd like to be, and found that these are the most likely states? Regarding xenophobia, Texas has a significant immigrant population and is also anecdotaly considered a very xenophobic state. Can you resolve your claim that immigrants won't go to xenophobic areas with the reality that is Texas? How about Southern California, which has struggled with race and immigration fears for over a decade? And what kind of person suggests that the entire inner corridor of the US is xenophobic anyway? Are you seriously claiming that every town from Ohio to Nevada to Louisiana to Idaho is xenophobic? That is a stunningly offensive, unfounded, and unsupportable argument. "Next time", I suggest not lecturing others about "next time" in the middle of a conversation. It implies that you believe you have "won" the conversation (which, being a reasonable person having a reasonable discussion, you wouldn't do, right?), it doesn't make you sound like a particularly pleasant person, and it doesn't add to the conversation.
- codexon 17y ago
  Why so angry? Because you just called me "very wrong", as well as "unnecessarily vicious and ignorant". %5 is nothing to sneeze at. It appears that you didn't even bother to read. Illinois is home to Chicago, home of one of the largest cities in the US. There is nothing rural about it not to mention having one of the highest murder rates in the nation. Meanwhile, why would all new immigrants will automatically go to the largest existing community? Do you have any evidence to support this claim? I presented to you 2 pieces of evidence from the US government, while all you have done is produced anecdotes and refusals to believe the facts. By now it is clear that you are trying very hard to ignore all the evidence, so I am done conversing with you.