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Let me clarify your position: because a. it is not a subject you care about b. it "happens quite a bit" c. in this case it helps your position which is "good" (
by crdb 11y ago
Let me clarify your position: because a. it is not a subject you care about b. it "happens quite a bit" c. in this case it helps your position which is "good" (the ivory ban) you "don't care" that the rule of law is breached?
I outright disagree with this position, which has been quite common in the US recently ("well, those CIA prisons have been happening quite a bit, and it helps the fight against terrorism anyway, plus, those are terrorists, they don't have any rights anymore. Not going to affect me anyway, I'm American, and I'm on the good side."). And you can go back to the lynch mobs of the Wild West for a more visual version.
Not wishing to be overdramatic, I did not bring up Niemoller until now, but his point stands. And of course there is the issue of flavours of patriotism (or loyalty to a cause) which is split into "my country right or wrong" vs "do the right thing no matter what". Aside from moral considerations, being in the "right or wrong" camp often backfires by providing the opposition with intellectual ammo to slow it down with.
To answer your question I care not one bit about what gets confiscated so long as it gets confiscated legally. It is good that you are fighting for the African elephants and I admire you for it. But I disagree that one has to behave above the law because of it.
- adamnemecek 11y agoHahaha, yes, confiscations of ivory are LITERALLY the same thing as CIA prisons and as Nazis.
- crdb 11y agoAre they not different grades of the same thing, the infringement of individual rights? Note I said illegal confiscations and you removed it. This is actually a very important point, in a system that assumes the law is our best guess at protecting individual rights.
- adamnemecek 11y agoWell in my eyes, there is no such thing as legal ivory as it's gray area at best. It's similar to the synthetic drugs. Yeah, they are not explicitly illegal but you are a fool if you think that they won't be confiscated if they are found by the customs.
- nitrogen 11y agoin my eyes The law is not what's in your eyes, it's what's established by elected legislatures. And the proposed Washington law says that there is legal ivory if it's over 100 years old, and/or a very small part by volume of a musical instrument.
- adamnemecek 11y agowhat's your point?