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The fact that he has to defend their culture says a lot to me.

toyg 11y ago
You never see posts about people at Google or Facebook saying they're abused and overworked. Even with Microsoft, you read about political infighting and stack-ranking being stupid, but not downright emotional abuse or on-call madness. With Amazon, it's quite a regular occurrence. Where there is smoke...
- austenallred 11y ago
  Google: http://www.businessinsider.com/reasons-working-at-google-sucks-2012-6 http://www.businessinsider.com/reasons-working-at-google-suc... http://techcrunch.com/2009/01/18/why-google-employees-quit/ http://techcrunch.com/2009/01/18/why-google-employees-quit/ http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/features/anonymous-employees-reveal-the-worst-thing-about-working-for-google-8921216.html http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/fea... Facebook: http://www.businessinsider.com/the-22-worst-things-about-working-at-facebook-according-to-employees-2015-7 http://www.businessinsider.com/the-22-worst-things-about-wor... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2410298/Forget-free-food-drinks--workplace-awful-Facebook-employees-reveal-best-place-work-tech-grind-like-other.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2410298/Forget-free-... Microsoft: http://www.businessinsider.com/why-microsoft-is-so-messed-up-toxic-environment-and-bad-managers-2011-5 http://www.businessinsider.com/why-microsoft-is-so-messed-up... http://www.slate.com/articles/business/moneybox/2013/08/microsoft_ceo_steve_ballmer_retires_a_firsthand_account_of_the_company_s.html http://www.slate.com/articles/business/moneybox/2013/08/micr... If your company has >1,000 employees, there will be disgruntled and dissatisfied employees. Full stop.
  - toyg 11y ago
    Did you actually read those complaints? Some are about compensation (you don't even have to reach 1000 employees to get those...), some about work/life balance, some about not being as good as the company would allow you to be (!), but i can't see any about emotional abuse, people crying at their desk or having to pay for a parking lot. It's a different scale. Even on glassdoor, Amazon averages 3.4 vs Google 4.4 vs Facebook 4.4. That 0.6 difference is what you mention: some people will inevitably be unhappy. But that other 1.0, that's not normal for a tech company.
mason240 11y ago
It's a big world, someone will criticize you no matter what you do.
- chinathrow 11y ago
  Treating employees in the fullfilment centers like shit is another side of the story, right? Do you need sources?
  - mason240 11y ago
    I'm addressing your "anyone defending themselves (and thus anyone who has revived criticism) is automatically wrong" argument. You're defending yourself right now, so by that argument it "says a lot to me."
    - chinathrow 11y ago
      Touchée ;)

toyg 11y ago

You never see posts about people at Google or Facebook saying they're abused and overworked. Even with Microsoft, you read about political infighting and stack-ranking being stupid, but not downright emotional abuse or on-call madness. With Amazon, it's quite a regular occurrence. Where there is smoke...

austenallred 11y ago
Google: http://www.businessinsider.com/reasons-working-at-google-sucks-2012-6 http://www.businessinsider.com/reasons-working-at-google-suc... http://techcrunch.com/2009/01/18/why-google-employees-quit/ http://techcrunch.com/2009/01/18/why-google-employees-quit/ http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/features/anonymous-employees-reveal-the-worst-thing-about-working-for-google-8921216.html http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/fea... Facebook: http://www.businessinsider.com/the-22-worst-things-about-working-at-facebook-according-to-employees-2015-7 http://www.businessinsider.com/the-22-worst-things-about-wor... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2410298/Forget-free-food-drinks--workplace-awful-Facebook-employees-reveal-best-place-work-tech-grind-like-other.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2410298/Forget-free-... Microsoft: http://www.businessinsider.com/why-microsoft-is-so-messed-up-toxic-environment-and-bad-managers-2011-5 http://www.businessinsider.com/why-microsoft-is-so-messed-up... http://www.slate.com/articles/business/moneybox/2013/08/microsoft_ceo_steve_ballmer_retires_a_firsthand_account_of_the_company_s.html http://www.slate.com/articles/business/moneybox/2013/08/micr... If your company has >1,000 employees, there will be disgruntled and dissatisfied employees. Full stop.
- toyg 11y ago
  Did you actually read those complaints? Some are about compensation (you don't even have to reach 1000 employees to get those...), some about work/life balance, some about not being as good as the company would allow you to be (!), but i can't see any about emotional abuse, people crying at their desk or having to pay for a parking lot. It's a different scale. Even on glassdoor, Amazon averages 3.4 vs Google 4.4 vs Facebook 4.4. That 0.6 difference is what you mention: some people will inevitably be unhappy. But that other 1.0, that's not normal for a tech company.

mason240 11y ago

It's a big world, someone will criticize you no matter what you do.

chinathrow 11y ago
Treating employees in the fullfilment centers like shit is another side of the story, right? Do you need sources?
- mason240 11y ago
  I'm addressing your "anyone defending themselves (and thus anyone who has revived criticism) is automatically wrong" argument. You're defending yourself right now, so by that argument it "says a lot to me."
  - chinathrow 11y ago
    Touchée ;)