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>show me a case where it actually worked and we can talk further. You mean like how people can anonymously buy drugs on the internet? It's working fine. It's n

by wyager 11y ago

>show me a case where it actually worked and we can talk further. You mean like how people can anonymously buy drugs on the internet? It's working fine. It's not perfect, but it doesn't have to be.

mirimir 11y ago
There's no "anonymously" there. Maybe buyers use Bitcoins, and maybe they've mixed them well enough to hide the money trail. But for the most part, they provide meatspace mail addresses. To sellers who truly are anonymous. Who may be LEA. Who may ship illegal drugs at homeopathic dilution, and SWAT right after delivery.
- wavefunction 11y ago
  Governments are concerned with entrepreneurs engaged through the net. Because governments are made up of former dealer/slangers who went "legit" liek bushes and others of that ilk
- wyager 11y ago
  And yet, despite all these worst-case scenarios you've outlined, it works great most of the time (from what I hear).
  - mirimir 11y ago
    It didn't work out so well for Curtis Green.[0] > Starting in April 2012, a DEA undercover agent in Maryland (the UC), began communicating with Ulbricht about selling illegal drugs on Silk Road. That agent was one of several assigned to the Baltimore Silk Road Task Force. The UC claimed to be a smuggler who specialized in moving substantial quantities of illegal drugs. In December 2012, Ulbricht set out to find a drug dealer on Silk Road who could purchase large quantities of drugs from the UC and directed his administrators, including Green, to assist. Green assisted the UC to establish contact with a buyer, who was an established seller of drugs on Silk Road (the Vendor). The UC and the Vendor negotiated a deal for one kilogram of cocaine for approximately $27,000 in Bitcoin, a digital currency that has no association with a national government, is difficult to track, and easy to move online. > Without the knowledge of either Ulbricht or the UC, Green agreed to act as a middle-man for the Vendor and take delivery of drugs. As a result, the Vendor provided Green’s address to the UC as the place to which the cocaine was to be delivered. On January 17, 2013, an undercover U.S. Postal Inspector delivered the cocaine [very highly cut] to Green at his residence. Shortly after Green accepted delivery of the cocaine, federal agents with the HSI, DEA, U.S. Postal Inspectors and the U.S. Secret Service executed a search warrant at Green’s residence and recovered the kilogram of cocaine. U.S. Secret Service agents also conducted a forensic examination of Green’s computers and digital media seized during the search. [0] http://www.justice.gov/usao-md/pr/administrator-silk-road-website-and-drug-vendor-plead-guilty-drug-conspiracy http://www.justice.gov/usao-md/pr/administrator-silk-road-we...
    - wyager 11y ago
      Yes, there are specific instances where it does not work. What is your point? The same goes for buying drugs on the street. It seems to work quite well most of the time.

by wyager 11y ago

>show me a case where it actually worked and we can talk further. You mean like how people can anonymously buy drugs on the internet? It's working fine. It's not perfect, but it doesn't have to be.

mirimir 11y ago

There's no "anonymously" there. Maybe buyers use Bitcoins, and maybe they've mixed them well enough to hide the money trail. But for the most part, they provide meatspace mail addresses. To sellers who truly are anonymous. Who may be LEA. Who may ship illegal drugs at homeopathic dilution, and SWAT right after delivery.

wavefunction 11y ago
Governments are concerned with entrepreneurs engaged through the net. Because governments are made up of former dealer/slangers who went "legit" liek bushes and others of that ilk
wyager 11y ago
And yet, despite all these worst-case scenarios you've outlined, it works great most of the time (from what I hear).
- mirimir 11y ago
  It didn't work out so well for Curtis Green.[0] > Starting in April 2012, a DEA undercover agent in Maryland (the UC), began communicating with Ulbricht about selling illegal drugs on Silk Road. That agent was one of several assigned to the Baltimore Silk Road Task Force. The UC claimed to be a smuggler who specialized in moving substantial quantities of illegal drugs. In December 2012, Ulbricht set out to find a drug dealer on Silk Road who could purchase large quantities of drugs from the UC and directed his administrators, including Green, to assist. Green assisted the UC to establish contact with a buyer, who was an established seller of drugs on Silk Road (the Vendor). The UC and the Vendor negotiated a deal for one kilogram of cocaine for approximately $27,000 in Bitcoin, a digital currency that has no association with a national government, is difficult to track, and easy to move online. > Without the knowledge of either Ulbricht or the UC, Green agreed to act as a middle-man for the Vendor and take delivery of drugs. As a result, the Vendor provided Green’s address to the UC as the place to which the cocaine was to be delivered. On January 17, 2013, an undercover U.S. Postal Inspector delivered the cocaine [very highly cut] to Green at his residence. Shortly after Green accepted delivery of the cocaine, federal agents with the HSI, DEA, U.S. Postal Inspectors and the U.S. Secret Service executed a search warrant at Green’s residence and recovered the kilogram of cocaine. U.S. Secret Service agents also conducted a forensic examination of Green’s computers and digital media seized during the search. [0] http://www.justice.gov/usao-md/pr/administrator-silk-road-website-and-drug-vendor-plead-guilty-drug-conspiracy http://www.justice.gov/usao-md/pr/administrator-silk-road-we...
  - wyager 11y ago
    Yes, there are specific instances where it does not work. What is your point? The same goes for buying drugs on the street. It seems to work quite well most of the time.