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> Guess that the only way out is to wait for the next big one. Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but that seems like a pretty gross sentiment. "I hope a natural disa

> Guess that the only way out is to wait for the next big one. Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but that seems like a pretty gross sentiment. "I hope a natural disaster gets these old people out of their homes so me and my hip friends can move into our favorite city." I know you probably didn't mean it that way, but I feel like I see a lot of similar animosity towards the longstanding residents (or as you put it, "entrenched interests") of SF.

raldi 11y ago
> "I hope a natural disaster gets these old people out of their homes..." ...and into tall, beautiful apartment buildings in walkable neighborhoods with excellent transit connections, so we can all live here together.
- archagon 11y ago
  For many people, SF wouldn't be SF without the older buildings and neighborhoods. You'd arguably be destroying the character of the city just for the chance to live there. Also, I don't think I've ever seen an affordable apartment highrise in a major city. Think those new and shiny skyscrapers will be able to compete with rent-controlled housing? What's actually going to happen is that the longtime residents are going to get pushed out into the outskirts while the Silicon Valley rich fill out the city.
  - raldi 11y ago
    > For many people, SF wouldn't be SF without the older buildings and neighborhoods. See, I think the soul of San Francisco actually comes from its people. Given a choice between preserving buildings or saving people from displacement, I think the latter does more to preserve the essence of the city.
  - ucaetano 11y ago
    The character of cities changes all the time, who are we to say what should be the character of a city? Let it change, let it evolve. SF's character only became what it is by changing from it's previous character, again and again and again.
ucaetano 11y ago
Sorry, you're reading it wrong. It isn't about old people, it's about entrenched interests, from young, old, rich and poor people who constantly pass legislation stopping others from converting their (others') houses into apartment buildings. Entrenched interests != longstanding residents. There is some overlap though. Think of it like the people from Los Altos Hill passing laws effectively banning poor people: the minimum lot size is 1 acre, and all lost can only have on family living in them.

raldi 11y ago

> "I hope a natural disaster gets these old people out of their homes..." ...and into tall, beautiful apartment buildings in walkable neighborhoods with excellent transit connections, so we can all live here together.

archagon 11y ago
For many people, SF wouldn't be SF without the older buildings and neighborhoods. You'd arguably be destroying the character of the city just for the chance to live there. Also, I don't think I've ever seen an affordable apartment highrise in a major city. Think those new and shiny skyscrapers will be able to compete with rent-controlled housing? What's actually going to happen is that the longtime residents are going to get pushed out into the outskirts while the Silicon Valley rich fill out the city.
- raldi 11y ago
  > For many people, SF wouldn't be SF without the older buildings and neighborhoods. See, I think the soul of San Francisco actually comes from its people. Given a choice between preserving buildings or saving people from displacement, I think the latter does more to preserve the essence of the city.
- ucaetano 11y ago
  The character of cities changes all the time, who are we to say what should be the character of a city? Let it change, let it evolve. SF's character only became what it is by changing from it's previous character, again and again and again.

ucaetano 11y ago

Sorry, you're reading it wrong. It isn't about old people, it's about entrenched interests, from young, old, rich and poor people who constantly pass legislation stopping others from converting their (others') houses into apartment buildings. Entrenched interests != longstanding residents. There is some overlap though. Think of it like the people from Los Altos Hill passing laws effectively banning poor people: the minimum lot size is 1 acre, and all lost can only have on family living in them.