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Perhaps the case here is that AirBnB is misleading guests into thinking that it'll assume responsibility equal to the responsibility a hotel would take, when it

by pen2l 11y ago

Perhaps the case here is that AirBnB is misleading guests into thinking that it'll assume responsibility equal to the responsibility a hotel would take, when it really doesn't. Anyway, sadly (and obviously) this submission has been flagged, would be better to carry discussion to a lessly-YC controlled platform: https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueReddit/comments/3h7ivz/airbnb_horror_story_points_to_need_for_precautions/ https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueReddit/comments/3h7ivz/airbnb_h...

DanBC 11y ago
It probably got flagged as a dupe. YC and HN keep sayi g that they don't penalise negative stories about YC companies.
- pen2l 11y ago
  This story hasn't been submitted before. It was ranked #1 for a little while, and promptly was demoted to non-front page. This happens a lot, most people just miss it/forget about it.
  - DanBC 11y ago
    > This story hasn't been submitted before Yes it fucking has. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10064782 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10064782 This version uses a mobile link. The previous version includes a bunch of URLcruft. In fact: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10064782 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10064782 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10063756 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10063756 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10063612 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10063612 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10063555 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10063555 It has had repeated submissions, and one previous submission has over 60 comments. It's probably being flagged as a dupe. EDIT: Also, NYT has a paywall and some people auto-flag any NYT submission.
    - pen2l 11y ago
      Okay, thanks for the proof! I should mention that in most cases the story seems to not have persisted in the top, even though it's a story that likely many HN users would want to discuss. I wish you hadn't escalated this to usage of profanities, but it's all good.
dang 11y ago
I'm beginning to become annoyed with you for insinuating the same falsehood every time one of these stories comes up. You've done it countless times, and it puts us in the position of either saying nothing and letting the falsehood stand—which isn't right—or having to answer it, a dreary chore that steals cycles away from things that actually help the community. It's time you supplied some evidence (which you won't, because we don't do the things you say), or dropped this. Repeating the same falsehood ad nauseum is not legit. The only thing that happened to the present post is that users flagged it, presumably because it was an obvious duplicate. We didn't see the post until a few minutes ago, and the only moderation we did was unkill it so discussion can continue. That's standard practice.
- pen2l 11y ago
  > I'm beginning to become annoyed with you for insinuating the same cheap falsehood every time one of these stories comes up. Every time? That's very much an exaggeration! Secondly, if you read my comment you'll see I did not accuse YC of flagging the story, I was myself thinking it was user flags (though, when one considers that flagging privileges are sometimes revoked... and only "good" users are left to flag, userflag starts to seem very much like a YC-flag - but that's a story for another day). Anyway, I do think I didn't choose my words very carefully, there's arguably some connotation of YC being `directly` involved in flagging in my comment, that was unintended.
  - dang 11y ago
    Many more times than I have energy for. Your oft-repeated claim/insinuation/smear that we censor anti-YC stories isn't true, nor fair, nor even reasonable, since to run HN that way would be stupid and the whole thing would have fallen apart years ago. It's also mean—you have no idea how hard we work to make sure that stuff like that doesn't happen. And in this case it was lazy as well: https://hn.algolia.com/?query=airbnb%20horror%20story&sort=byPopularity&prefix&page=0&dateRange=all&type=story https://hn.algolia.com/?query=airbnb%20horror%20story&sort=b....
    - pen2l 11y ago

by pen2l 11y ago

DanBC 11y ago

It probably got flagged as a dupe. YC and HN keep sayi g that they don't penalise negative stories about YC companies.

pen2l 11y ago
This story hasn't been submitted before. It was ranked #1 for a little while, and promptly was demoted to non-front page. This happens a lot, most people just miss it/forget about it.
- DanBC 11y ago
  > This story hasn't been submitted before Yes it fucking has. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10064782 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10064782 This version uses a mobile link. The previous version includes a bunch of URLcruft. In fact: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10064782 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10064782 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10063756 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10063756 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10063612 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10063612 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10063555 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10063555 It has had repeated submissions, and one previous submission has over 60 comments. It's probably being flagged as a dupe. EDIT: Also, NYT has a paywall and some people auto-flag any NYT submission.
  - pen2l 11y ago
    Okay, thanks for the proof! I should mention that in most cases the story seems to not have persisted in the top, even though it's a story that likely many HN users would want to discuss. I wish you hadn't escalated this to usage of profanities, but it's all good.

dang 11y ago

I'm beginning to become annoyed with you for insinuating the same falsehood every time one of these stories comes up. You've done it countless times, and it puts us in the position of either saying nothing and letting the falsehood stand—which isn't right—or having to answer it, a dreary chore that steals cycles away from things that actually help the community. It's time you supplied some evidence (which you won't, because we don't do the things you say), or dropped this. Repeating the same falsehood ad nauseum is not legit. The only thing that happened to the present post is that users flagged it, presumably because it was an obvious duplicate. We didn't see the post until a few minutes ago, and the only moderation we did was unkill it so discussion can continue. That's standard practice.

pen2l 11y ago
> I'm beginning to become annoyed with you for insinuating the same cheap falsehood every time one of these stories comes up. Every time? That's very much an exaggeration! Secondly, if you read my comment you'll see I did not accuse YC of flagging the story, I was myself thinking it was user flags (though, when one considers that flagging privileges are sometimes revoked... and only "good" users are left to flag, userflag starts to seem very much like a YC-flag - but that's a story for another day). Anyway, I do think I didn't choose my words very carefully, there's arguably some connotation of YC being `directly` involved in flagging in my comment, that was unintended.
- dang 11y ago
  Many more times than I have energy for. Your oft-repeated claim/insinuation/smear that we censor anti-YC stories isn't true, nor fair, nor even reasonable, since to run HN that way would be stupid and the whole thing would have fallen apart years ago. It's also mean—you have no idea how hard we work to make sure that stuff like that doesn't happen. And in this case it was lazy as well: https://hn.algolia.com/?query=airbnb%20horror%20story&sort=byPopularity&prefix&page=0&dateRange=all&type=story https://hn.algolia.com/?query=airbnb%20horror%20story&sort=b....
  - pen2l 11y ago