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For people who have not been following along, the Bitcoin block size debate has been very intense and pulled out a lot of interesting psychology from the Bitcoi
by Taek 11y ago
For people who have not been following along, the Bitcoin block size debate has been very intense and pulled out a lot of interesting psychology from the Bitcoin community.
Most of the core devs of Bitcoin are strongly opposed to increasing the blocksize to 8mb. 2 people in particular, Mike Hearn and Gavin Andresen, have been making very strong political pushes to get the majority of Bitcoin users to favor their block size limit increase proposals, and it appears that they have largely been successful.
Everyone has an opinion on the block size debate, and it has become clear that politics are very important to Bitcoin. Bitcoin is a complicated and delicate protocol, and having a qualified opinion on something like the blocksize debate likely requires around a year of studying the academic properties of Bitcoin. Most people don't realize this, and hold their own opinion in high esteem. In many ways, this would be similar to non-cryptographers engaging in debates about key scheduling in AES - it takes a lot of education before you are really qualified to make an opinion.
Unlike AES however, with Bitcoin most people believe that they have a qualified opinion, and actively engage in debate, religiously clinging to certain ideas without properly grasping their full implications.
Perhaps even more interesting is all of the drama and chaos on /r/bitcoin. Right now there are posts with 93% upvotes requesting that the moderators be replaced. The comment threads have lots of brigading, trolling, loudmouthing, and occasional spurts of academic discussion.
There are many accusations of the moderators censoring discussion that opposes their viewpoint on the subject. The moderators have been very active in deleting posts. Certainly many of the deletions were of garbage comments, but there also seems to be abuse-of-power happening.
Certainly there are many people trying to be as disruptive as possible, and deleting their comments only results in more assertions of censorship.
One big controvertial decision by the moderator team was to censor all posts relating to Bitcoin-XT, a client that runs code which will hard-fork Bitcoin after reaching 75% miner-usage. The two biggest proponents of the block size increase are responsible for XT, and censoring posts about XT seems synonymous to censoring topics about the block size. 'Off-topic' really doesn't seem like an appropriate label.
The behavior of proponents of both sides of the debate has been abysmal. Something in Bitcoin is broken, and it's not just related to the block size limit. The decision making process, and 'social consensus' process as a whole, needs improvement.
- bhouston 11y ago> having a qualified opinion on something like the blocksize debate likely requires around a year of studying the academic properties of Bitcoin. I do not like statements like that -- it basically says unless you know as much as me (and if you knew as much as me you'd agree with me), you can not have an opinion. It is pretty exclusionary. Most people can get up to speed fairly fast than that if they have access to good information on both pros and cons.
- zzalpha 11y agoI have absolutely no horse in this race (I'm here for the schadenfreude), but to be honest, when it comes to deeply technical decisions, I think this is entirely fair. I wouldn't expect Linus to listen to my opinions about the Linux task scheduler. Why should the Bitcoin community listen to some random guy's unsupported opinions about block size? This isn't about politics or being nice and listening to everyone. This is about making a massively technical choice and it better be made based on solid technical reasoning, not on a desire to be happy and inclusive.
- vezzy-fnord 11y agoThe person rejecting your opinions would probably be Ingo Molnár anyway, assuming you get as far.
- dingaling 11y ago> I wouldn't expect Linus to listen to my opinions about the Linux task scheduler. Why not? As an end-user your opinion is very important, you're the one that has to live with the detached decisions that Linus makes regarding the scheduler.
- andrepd 11y agoDo you think you are entitled to an opinion on the design of the brakes of your car? Or on the structure of the foundations of your house? Because you are the one who has to drive the car/live on the house. Unless you have technical expertise in that particular field, your opinion on technical matters has zero value.