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I unfucked Windows 10 by installing Fedora instead. This is the first time in probably four years that I'm using Linux on my main desktop again, and it's been

by shocks 11y ago

I unfucked Windows 10 by installing Fedora instead. This is the first time in probably four years that I'm using Linux on my main desktop again, and it's been a pleasure. Things like SLI and dual monitors just work - I remember last time I had a Linux desktop these things were a nightmare. A surprising amount of my games on Steam (152 of 400) support Linux. Zero regrets so far! edit: Sorry, I didn't mean this to become a Linux bragging post. This looks like a great project! I appreciate the effort people are putting in to making W10 usable.

thejosh 11y ago
I'm kind of sad games work so well, because recently my time has been sunk into playing Civ 5 again!
- shocks 11y ago
  Heh, I know that feeling! My vice atm is Cities: Skylines. I'm honestly really surprised how smooth the transition was for me. I expected it to be a bit rough - I only did the install telling myself "I'll give this a go for a week or so" - but I really can't see myself moving back any time soon. Even sleep works - and it works better than it ever did on OSX or Windows.
WorldWideWayne 11y ago
Windows 10 is orders of magnitude more usable than any Linux desktop that I've seen. All this does is toggle a bunch of settings for you. To make Fedora even remotely usable I had to un-Mac OS X it by installing a bunch of third party tweak tools and plugins because they took all of the major UI anti-patterns from OS X.
- zxcvcxz 11y ago
  I completely disagree. Fedora seems to take OS X and make it much more usable and more intuitive and it cuts out the cruft. Any cursory glance of any Windows forum on the internet will show you that it is indeed not more usable than any of its competitors. I've personally set up children and elderly people with Fedora and it's orders of magnitude better than Windows in these cases seeing as it's almost impossible for the average user to mess up. Perhaps installing Fedora on your mac book was a headache, but have you ever tried to install OS X on non-apple hardware? It's worse than any other OS. If you bought Ubuntu certified hardware (as you did with Apple) you'd have no problem with Linux, so it's disingenuous to compare the two. Sorry, but Windows isn't an OS for "normal" people, it's an OS people use because they have to for some reason (games, work). It doesn't "just work" and it's not miles ahead of any other OS, and certainly not more stable. I've had my Fedora desktop up for months at a time without anything crashing, this typically can't be said for Windows in my experience.
  - WorldWideWayne 11y ago
    I've also personally set up children and elderly people with Windows and on hardware that Fedora and other Unixes won't even run on like tablets, without a problem. And you'll never see a problem like this on Windows - https://ask.fedoraproject.org/en/question/38845/graphical-desktop-does-not-start-on-fedora-20/ https://ask.fedoraproject.org/en/question/38845/graphical-de...
    - zxcvcxz 11y ago
      >I've also personally set up children and elderly people with Windows and on hardware that Fedora and other Unixes won't even run on like tablets, without a problem. This isn't typical though. I've seen literally thousands of posts about how "every time I come over I have to fix my parents computer" and 99% of the time it's a windows machine. >And you'll never see a problem like this on Windows https://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/windows/en-US/5b94b775-992e-4f48-b3ff-c89b3cf45e82/windows-7-black-screen-after-login-no-desktop-show-up https://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/windows/en-US/5b... http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows7/why-is-my-screen-black-when-i-start-windows-7 http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows7/why-is-my-screen... https://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/windowsserver/en-US/ad755d4d-3063-419e-8074-3494ef60703e/windows-7-booting-to-black-screen-with-command-prompt?forum=w7itproperf https://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/windowsserver/en... Pretty similar.
      - WorldWideWayne 11y ago
        We can concede that any platform can have problems despite the fact that we ourselves have not encountered them. If your only measuring stick is the existence of problems as seen on the 'net, you haven't really proven your point that somehow Fedora is for normal people but Windows is not. Maybe it's different for me because I'm from the east coast, but all of the people that I know running Windows at home are certainly normal. My wife, a teacher, is running a Surface Pro 3 which replaced her iPad + laptop. My dad (a retired plumber) runs Windows but my mom has a Macbook Air. Almost all of the college students in my family went with Windows on a laptop or a hybrid. I have Fedora F21 running and it's probably the best performing Linux desktop that I've seen and the most usable (after taking away all of the OS X idioms of course), but unless the only thing you want to do is run Chrome more slowly than you could on Windows, then I wouldn't recommend it for normals (edit: because from what I've seen, it's generally a buggier environment than Windows. Now that could be mostly because I installed a bunch of buggy plugins for Gnome, but I also had hardware issues that Windows did not have).

by shocks 11y ago

thejosh 11y ago

I'm kind of sad games work so well, because recently my time has been sunk into playing Civ 5 again!

shocks 11y ago
Heh, I know that feeling! My vice atm is Cities: Skylines. I'm honestly really surprised how smooth the transition was for me. I expected it to be a bit rough - I only did the install telling myself "I'll give this a go for a week or so" - but I really can't see myself moving back any time soon. Even sleep works - and it works better than it ever did on OSX or Windows.

WorldWideWayne 11y ago

Windows 10 is orders of magnitude more usable than any Linux desktop that I've seen. All this does is toggle a bunch of settings for you. To make Fedora even remotely usable I had to un-Mac OS X it by installing a bunch of third party tweak tools and plugins because they took all of the major UI anti-patterns from OS X.

zxcvcxz 11y ago
I completely disagree. Fedora seems to take OS X and make it much more usable and more intuitive and it cuts out the cruft. Any cursory glance of any Windows forum on the internet will show you that it is indeed not more usable than any of its competitors. I've personally set up children and elderly people with Fedora and it's orders of magnitude better than Windows in these cases seeing as it's almost impossible for the average user to mess up. Perhaps installing Fedora on your mac book was a headache, but have you ever tried to install OS X on non-apple hardware? It's worse than any other OS. If you bought Ubuntu certified hardware (as you did with Apple) you'd have no problem with Linux, so it's disingenuous to compare the two. Sorry, but Windows isn't an OS for "normal" people, it's an OS people use because they have to for some reason (games, work). It doesn't "just work" and it's not miles ahead of any other OS, and certainly not more stable. I've had my Fedora desktop up for months at a time without anything crashing, this typically can't be said for Windows in my experience.
- WorldWideWayne 11y ago
  I've also personally set up children and elderly people with Windows and on hardware that Fedora and other Unixes won't even run on like tablets, without a problem. And you'll never see a problem like this on Windows - https://ask.fedoraproject.org/en/question/38845/graphical-desktop-does-not-start-on-fedora-20/ https://ask.fedoraproject.org/en/question/38845/graphical-de...
  - zxcvcxz 11y ago
    >I've also personally set up children and elderly people with Windows and on hardware that Fedora and other Unixes won't even run on like tablets, without a problem. This isn't typical though. I've seen literally thousands of posts about how "every time I come over I have to fix my parents computer" and 99% of the time it's a windows machine. >And you'll never see a problem like this on Windows https://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/windows/en-US/5b94b775-992e-4f48-b3ff-c89b3cf45e82/windows-7-black-screen-after-login-no-desktop-show-up https://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/windows/en-US/5b... http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows7/why-is-my-screen-black-when-i-start-windows-7 http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows7/why-is-my-screen... https://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/windowsserver/en-US/ad755d4d-3063-419e-8074-3494ef60703e/windows-7-booting-to-black-screen-with-command-prompt?forum=w7itproperf https://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/windowsserver/en... Pretty similar.
    - WorldWideWayne 11y ago
      We can concede that any platform can have problems despite the fact that we ourselves have not encountered them. If your only measuring stick is the existence of problems as seen on the 'net, you haven't really proven your point that somehow Fedora is for normal people but Windows is not. Maybe it's different for me because I'm from the east coast, but all of the people that I know running Windows at home are certainly normal. My wife, a teacher, is running a Surface Pro 3 which replaced her iPad + laptop. My dad (a retired plumber) runs Windows but my mom has a Macbook Air. Almost all of the college students in my family went with Windows on a laptop or a hybrid. I have Fedora F21 running and it's probably the best performing Linux desktop that I've seen and the most usable (after taking away all of the OS X idioms of course), but unless the only thing you want to do is run Chrome more slowly than you could on Windows, then I wouldn't recommend it for normals (edit: because from what I've seen, it's generally a buggier environment than Windows. Now that could be mostly because I installed a bunch of buggy plugins for Gnome, but I also had hardware issues that Windows did not have).