> One could imagine that a human exists that does not value their self? Sure. I'm sure there are many such people. Does this make a difference for the purposes

> One could imagine that a human exists that does not value their self? Sure. I'm sure there are many such people. Does this make a difference for the purposes of this discussion? > all of this is compatible with subjective value. It's even explicit in your description: 'they value themselves'. Correct! I wasn't disagreeing, just trying to explain the sentiment in subjective terms.