> I've been designing electronics and firmware professionally for my entire career. That makes absolutely no difference. You can still be a bad engineer. If y

> I've been designing electronics and firmware professionally for my entire career. That makes absolutely no difference. You can still be a bad engineer. If you find Arduino bastardized C++ superior than AVR-GCC, you are a poor developer. Everything you can do with Arduino C++ wrapper you can do with normal C++. You'll save resources, end up with firmware, written in industrially standard language, will have better control over hardware. > experience in the community means I can probably complete the entire project in less than a day of work. If you after "designing electronics and firmware professionally for the entire career " still need assistance from the community for already well-documented 8-bit controller, it tells about you. > pissed off at opening up your Good ol' boys club. No, I am not - after all I am not an embedded developer; I am pissed that it is advertised as something it is not: not a good tool for making industrial automation, not a good tool to stay with if you decide to get involved with automation seriously. It gives a wrong idea to the student about how AVR works, it locks you in with the platform and at the same time dominates the sector.