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> OK, but you were arguing that "most people seem to be very happy" with Windows 10. I suspect those people were not. Most people are happy, as far as I can te

by scholia 11y ago

> OK, but you were arguing that "most people seem to be very happy" with Windows 10. I suspect those people were not. Most people are happy, as far as I can tell. Clearly some are not, but if 50 million people were unhappy they'd be making a lot more noise.... >Of course, the moment a single person in your company accidentally hits share instead of don't share, your sysadmins can look forward to a fun day changing all the credentials and notifying everyone of the new arrangements, and your executives can look forward to explaining the resulting regulatory investigation and fines for not security data properly to the shareholders. I'm assuming companies are run by people who are not complete idiots. There's a simple way to make sure your corporate (or other) network is never shared, and it's covered at in the FAQ. http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-10/wi-fi-sense-faq http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-10/wi-fi-sense-fa... I wasn't kidding when I said the coverage "showed a lot of ignorance". I was too polite to mention the incompetence. > blog posts commenting on how poorly the new search feature actually works, mentioning several different points Works fine here, for what I use it for....

Silhouette 11y ago
Well, I'm happy for you that Windows 10 seems to meet your needs and apparently doesn't cause you any problems. But I stand by my original position that Microsoft may have misjudged the business market if their strategy is to go consumer first and aim to fix any business concerns later. (Please also remember that I'm not saying they necessarily have misjudged, I'm just saying it's a risk if that's their strategy.) Regardless of your opinion or mine, the corporate sysadmins and decision-makers evaluating a possible move to Windows 10 aren't going to be forming their opinions based on the kinds of reviews you linked to before, and they're going to be well aware of the kinds of issues raised by the less favourable coverage. What really matters isn't whether you can convince me that, say, changing a corporate WiFi SSID used by hundreds or thousands of people is no big deal, it is whether Microsoft can convince the sysadmins and the team running the help desk. And based on the reactions I've seen so far from people who are in those kinds of positions, Windows 10 certainly isn't making a great first impression, so I do think Microsoft has left themselves a bit of a mountain to climb.
- scholia 11y ago
  > apparently doesn't cause you any problems Not quite. It doesn't cause me any problems that I regard as unsolvable for what I get in return. Android, for example, is a much tougher proposition. That's a bigger privacy leak and the only real alternative is to go to an AOSP-based ROM. Just using the web requires some effort (Ghostery, uBlock Origin, Google Search link fix etc). > so I do think Microsoft has left themselves a bit of a mountain to climb. We shall see. I expect Microsoft has actually talked to its business users, and it doesn't expect them all to defect (though, as I said, it's got until 2020 before it becomes critical). Meanwhile... Bank of America CTO Talks Windows 10 Plans, Security http://www.informationweek.com/strategic-cio/executive-insights-and-innovation/bank-of-america-cto-talks-windows-10-plans-security-/d/d-id/1321721 http://www.informationweek.com/strategic-cio/executive-insig... Reilly promised a Windows 10 upgrade is on the horizon for Bank of America. "We're looking to adopt as early as we can," he said. Such a project will be a massive undertaking given the sheer multitude of Windows devices within the organization, but he appears optimistic about the process.

by scholia 11y ago

Silhouette 11y ago

Well, I'm happy for you that Windows 10 seems to meet your needs and apparently doesn't cause you any problems. But I stand by my original position that Microsoft may have misjudged the business market if their strategy is to go consumer first and aim to fix any business concerns later. (Please also remember that I'm not saying they necessarily have misjudged, I'm just saying it's a risk if that's their strategy.) Regardless of your opinion or mine, the corporate sysadmins and decision-makers evaluating a possible move to Windows 10 aren't going to be forming their opinions based on the kinds of reviews you linked to before, and they're going to be well aware of the kinds of issues raised by the less favourable coverage. What really matters isn't whether you can convince me that, say, changing a corporate WiFi SSID used by hundreds or thousands of people is no big deal, it is whether Microsoft can convince the sysadmins and the team running the help desk. And based on the reactions I've seen so far from people who are in those kinds of positions, Windows 10 certainly isn't making a great first impression, so I do think Microsoft has left themselves a bit of a mountain to climb.

scholia 11y ago
> apparently doesn't cause you any problems Not quite. It doesn't cause me any problems that I regard as unsolvable for what I get in return. Android, for example, is a much tougher proposition. That's a bigger privacy leak and the only real alternative is to go to an AOSP-based ROM. Just using the web requires some effort (Ghostery, uBlock Origin, Google Search link fix etc). > so I do think Microsoft has left themselves a bit of a mountain to climb. We shall see. I expect Microsoft has actually talked to its business users, and it doesn't expect them all to defect (though, as I said, it's got until 2020 before it becomes critical). Meanwhile... Bank of America CTO Talks Windows 10 Plans, Security http://www.informationweek.com/strategic-cio/executive-insights-and-innovation/bank-of-america-cto-talks-windows-10-plans-security-/d/d-id/1321721 http://www.informationweek.com/strategic-cio/executive-insig... Reilly promised a Windows 10 upgrade is on the horizon for Bank of America. "We're looking to adopt as early as we can," he said. Such a project will be a massive undertaking given the sheer multitude of Windows devices within the organization, but he appears optimistic about the process.