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Ok, many members of the Bush administration ordered torture and medical experimentation on human beings, a flat out war crime. James Clapper lied under oath to

Ok, many members of the Bush administration ordered torture and medical experimentation on human beings, a flat out war crime. James Clapper lied under oath to Congress. Hillary Clinton kept classified material on a personal server at her house. These are all serious crimes with plenty of publicly available evidence that they were committed. The people who committed them are all inside the country and easy to find, so charging and arresting them wouldn't be difficult. So where's the outrage from all the "rule of law" folks? Why aren't these well known fugitives ever mentioned alongside Snowden?

irishcoffee 11y ago
> many members of the Bush administration ordered torture and medical experimentation on human beings The way you phrased this made me curious, so I looked it up. I don't know if it was your intention, but the way you phrased it made it sound like they were preforming medical procedures, possibly heinous medical procedures. In fact, the experiments were collecting data[0]: "...and crossed the line into human experimentation by collecting and analyzing data that were then used to refine harsh interrogation techniques, including sleep deprivation and waterboarding..." Don't get me wrong, I don't agree with it, but I had visions of people having limbs attached to them, superhuman drugs injected into them, and death left and right, like some kind of V for Vendetta shit. This does not seem to be the case. [0] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2917950/ http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2917950/
- gonzo 11y ago
  Full report https://s3.amazonaws.com/PHR_Reports/Experiments_in_Torture.pdf https://s3.amazonaws.com/PHR_Reports/Experiments_in_Torture....
eli 11y ago
I think all those people should be investigated and, if there's evidence, prosecuted. I've never said differently. But Hillary Clinton's email server truly has nothing to do with Edward Snowden. She was not involved in the crimes he is alleged to have committed so it has no bearing on his case.
- danenania 11y ago
  It does have a bearing on Edward Snowden given that we demonstrably do NOT have actual rule of law. The intelligence agencies have clearly compromised the integrity of our justice system, which ensures Snowden would not be treated fairly. Until the system can show it's worthy of our trust by pursuing powerful people who flagrantly violate the law in the public view, there is no reasonable argument that Snowden should be subjected to its plainly unequal notion of justice.
  - eli 11y ago
    > there is no reasonable argument that Snowden should be subjected to its plainly unequal notion of justice. Couldn't everyone accused of any crime use that excuse?
    - edc117 11y ago
      Presumably, yes! Which is why it's so important for the law to be impartial and apply equally to everyone, especially the rich and the powerful.

irishcoffee 11y ago

> many members of the Bush administration ordered torture and medical experimentation on human beings The way you phrased this made me curious, so I looked it up. I don't know if it was your intention, but the way you phrased it made it sound like they were preforming medical procedures, possibly heinous medical procedures. In fact, the experiments were collecting data[0]: "...and crossed the line into human experimentation by collecting and analyzing data that were then used to refine harsh interrogation techniques, including sleep deprivation and waterboarding..." Don't get me wrong, I don't agree with it, but I had visions of people having limbs attached to them, superhuman drugs injected into them, and death left and right, like some kind of V for Vendetta shit. This does not seem to be the case. [0] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2917950/ http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2917950/

gonzo 11y ago
Full report https://s3.amazonaws.com/PHR_Reports/Experiments_in_Torture.pdf https://s3.amazonaws.com/PHR_Reports/Experiments_in_Torture....

eli 11y ago

I think all those people should be investigated and, if there's evidence, prosecuted. I've never said differently. But Hillary Clinton's email server truly has nothing to do with Edward Snowden. She was not involved in the crimes he is alleged to have committed so it has no bearing on his case.

danenania 11y ago
It does have a bearing on Edward Snowden given that we demonstrably do NOT have actual rule of law. The intelligence agencies have clearly compromised the integrity of our justice system, which ensures Snowden would not be treated fairly. Until the system can show it's worthy of our trust by pursuing powerful people who flagrantly violate the law in the public view, there is no reasonable argument that Snowden should be subjected to its plainly unequal notion of justice.
- eli 11y ago
  > there is no reasonable argument that Snowden should be subjected to its plainly unequal notion of justice. Couldn't everyone accused of any crime use that excuse?
  - edc117 11y ago
    Presumably, yes! Which is why it's so important for the law to be impartial and apply equally to everyone, especially the rich and the powerful.