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I can't say that I'm sympathetic to Hotwheels' situation with regard to 8ch due to the fact that his audience has quite a few toxic individuals among the ranks.

I can't say that I'm sympathetic to Hotwheels' situation with regard to 8ch due to the fact that his audience has quite a few toxic individuals among the ranks. Some of which have a long history of being on the wrong side of the law (and good taste). Plus, I really don't see why he's upset with the concept of online safe spaces (what his supporters call hugboxes). For example, I'm a transgender woman (mtf) so for me to speak on certain sensitive issues regarding the matter of gender variance it's a necessity that such discussions happen either pseudo-anonymously or in moderated forums. This isn't censorship or an impediment to discussion as there are many venues for cross cultural discussion that have historically happened. But it seems Hotwheels and company demand unfettered access to the lives of others to the point of violating expectations of privacy (and property rights for that matter). Also, this claim that the Internet has largely been like 8ch is historically inaccurate. The majority of mailing lists, newsgroups, web forums, irc channels, and other communication mediums/methods have always been heavily moderated in some capacity. It's really 8ch and other similarly unmoderated venues that are the ahistorical entities being relatively new to the Internet and to its user base. It's all well and good to demand some public spaces for sharing of ideas and opinions but it should never come at the price of all the other rights humans need to thrive. And that includes the right to be left alone.

syoc 11y ago
8chan was removed from google results. The entire page. I understand your arguments, but this is not about 8chan users saying mean things to people on different sites. You argue that you want a gated community where some rules and regulations are in place for you to be able to discuss freely. That is fine. Hotwheels however wanted to make a discussion platform where anyone can create an imageboard board and with any topic they want and moderate it as they would like as well. The only restriction being national law. This should be fine as well. Google however has put themselves above the law, refusing to index their site. It is of course within their right, but we should be worried when such an integral part of the internet as google is moral police, judge, jury and executioner. Being unsympathetic to the situation due to the fact that his platform is used by "toxic" users is something that should warrant some serious introspection.
- norea-armozel 11y ago
  >Google however has put themselves above the law, refusing to index their site. What law anywhere requires Google to crawl any site? >Being unsympathetic to the situation due to the fact that his platform is used by "toxic" users is something that should warrant some serious introspection. So I should be concerned that people who even Stormfront won't deal with aren't searchable via Google?

syoc 11y ago

8chan was removed from google results. The entire page. I understand your arguments, but this is not about 8chan users saying mean things to people on different sites. You argue that you want a gated community where some rules and regulations are in place for you to be able to discuss freely. That is fine. Hotwheels however wanted to make a discussion platform where anyone can create an imageboard board and with any topic they want and moderate it as they would like as well. The only restriction being national law. This should be fine as well. Google however has put themselves above the law, refusing to index their site. It is of course within their right, but we should be worried when such an integral part of the internet as google is moral police, judge, jury and executioner. Being unsympathetic to the situation due to the fact that his platform is used by "toxic" users is something that should warrant some serious introspection.

norea-armozel 11y ago
>Google however has put themselves above the law, refusing to index their site. What law anywhere requires Google to crawl any site? >Being unsympathetic to the situation due to the fact that his platform is used by "toxic" users is something that should warrant some serious introspection. So I should be concerned that people who even Stormfront won't deal with aren't searchable via Google?