OP Here: I think there are different definitions of off the grid. When I said that the HOUSE is completely off the grid, I meant that the house is not connected

OP Here: I think there are different definitions of off the grid. When I said that the HOUSE is completely off the grid, I meant that the house is not connected to a water utility, power utility, or gas utility directly. When I used to visit my Grandpa in Ukraine for the summer, he lived in the house with a water well (the type with the bucket), had wood burning everything, and grew all of his fruits and vegetables, and the house was setup for kerosene lighting. It was connected to electricity in the 1980s, but not before that. However, he still had to go out an buy firewood, because his property still wasn't large enough to grow all the firewood he needed, he still had to purchase meet and eggs, and he still had to buy kerosene (before electricity). So, was he off the grid? Well, I guess by your definition, no? I think the "off the grid" is a loaded term, and I didn't mean to use it in the "I live in a shack and haven't seen people in decades" definition, not that there is anything wrong with that. I used it in the more direct definition of we are not connected to a grid. Didn't mean to mislead any one though.