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what's that in stationwagons full of LTO6 tapes?

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tired_man 11y ago
Beats me. I've never dealt with fractional station wagons before... A compressed LTO6 is 6.25 TB, right? Let's just go with 3 of them. So, I figured out how many carts we need. You calculate the fractional station wagon part. My math was never _that_ good ;-)
- Someone1234 11y ago
  Just as a point of reference, a single LTO6 tape costs around $25-$35 only. So we're talking about $105 at absolute most for three. That is likely to be cheaper than a 16 TB SSD for a very long time to come. Tapes aren't going anywhere.
  - TheCondor 11y ago
    That's the problem, tape isn't going anywhere. A decade back, it boasted a huge capacity advantage. Now with all the newer tech, the spinning media storage advantages, etc, it can barely hold a big drives worth of data. And the tape drives are expensive... Lto7 should hold like 50T on a this and dollar tape drive to look really interesting again.
    - jl6 11y ago
      At scale, tape still has the lowest cost per byte of any storage medium.
      - acdha 11y ago
        It's true for sufficiently large values of “at scale” but tape has uniquely high overhead costs – hardware, software, staffing – which have to be balanced out by those lower storage costs. HDD/SSD costs have been declining at a much faster rate so we're already at the point where only the largest storage consumers are going to reach the point where they see a return from the initial investment in tape.
    - fezz 11y ago
      LTO-7 is 6.4TB uncompressed. LTO-10 is 48TB. Hopefully we'll see LTO-7 this year but probably in 2016. That puts the diff between LTO6 and LTO7 at 4 years. Extrapolating... LTO8 in 2020 LTO9 in 2024 LTO10 in 2028 LTO-10 would have ideally come in 2020 in keeping with LTO's earlier pace of 2 years per revision which is also more in line with storage increases
akx 11y ago
The SSDs seem to win there. https://gist.github.com/akx/61302f35a9a58bd9371d https://gist.github.com/akx/61302f35a9a58bd9371d
- hamburglar 11y ago
  Not to be a killjoy, but given that LTO6's and SSDs are so similar in size and shape, and you're assuming they pack into a station wagon equally well, it seems like it would be a lot simpler to just compare their storage per unit volume directly. :)
  - function_seven 11y ago
    You're not thinking hard enough! How hot is it outside? Can you pack some of the LTO6's on the dashboard? Or will they melt in the sun? I bet the SSDs can handle higher storage temps than the tapes, and therefore you can pack more of them in. I'm off to research the weight differences, and see if the wagon's suspension factors in to this...
    - nathankleyn 11y ago
      If anybody ever asks me what Hacker News is, I'm going to screenshot this thread and send it to them.
      - jotm 11y ago
        tip to tip efficiency... :-D
    - akx 11y ago
      Yeah, my calculation only takes into account the actual cargo space in a station wagon. If you can fit 5 people in the station wagon too and a human is about 66 liters in volume...
    - hga 11y ago
      Yeah, they're probably more heat resistant, but heating them up makes those trapped electrons more eager to flee.

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Beats me. I've never dealt with fractional station wagons before... A compressed LTO6 is 6.25 TB, right? Let's just go with 3 of them. So, I figured out how many carts we need. You calculate the fractional station wagon part. My math was never _that_ good ;-)

Someone1234 11y ago
Just as a point of reference, a single LTO6 tape costs around $25-$35 only. So we're talking about $105 at absolute most for three. That is likely to be cheaper than a 16 TB SSD for a very long time to come. Tapes aren't going anywhere.
- TheCondor 11y ago
  That's the problem, tape isn't going anywhere. A decade back, it boasted a huge capacity advantage. Now with all the newer tech, the spinning media storage advantages, etc, it can barely hold a big drives worth of data. And the tape drives are expensive... Lto7 should hold like 50T on a this and dollar tape drive to look really interesting again.
  - jl6 11y ago
    At scale, tape still has the lowest cost per byte of any storage medium.
    - acdha 11y ago
      It's true for sufficiently large values of “at scale” but tape has uniquely high overhead costs – hardware, software, staffing – which have to be balanced out by those lower storage costs. HDD/SSD costs have been declining at a much faster rate so we're already at the point where only the largest storage consumers are going to reach the point where they see a return from the initial investment in tape.
  - fezz 11y ago
    LTO-7 is 6.4TB uncompressed. LTO-10 is 48TB. Hopefully we'll see LTO-7 this year but probably in 2016. That puts the diff between LTO6 and LTO7 at 4 years. Extrapolating... LTO8 in 2020 LTO9 in 2024 LTO10 in 2028 LTO-10 would have ideally come in 2020 in keeping with LTO's earlier pace of 2 years per revision which is also more in line with storage increases

akx 11y ago

The SSDs seem to win there. https://gist.github.com/akx/61302f35a9a58bd9371d https://gist.github.com/akx/61302f35a9a58bd9371d

hamburglar 11y ago
Not to be a killjoy, but given that LTO6's and SSDs are so similar in size and shape, and you're assuming they pack into a station wagon equally well, it seems like it would be a lot simpler to just compare their storage per unit volume directly. :)
- function_seven 11y ago
  You're not thinking hard enough! How hot is it outside? Can you pack some of the LTO6's on the dashboard? Or will they melt in the sun? I bet the SSDs can handle higher storage temps than the tapes, and therefore you can pack more of them in. I'm off to research the weight differences, and see if the wagon's suspension factors in to this...
  - nathankleyn 11y ago
    If anybody ever asks me what Hacker News is, I'm going to screenshot this thread and send it to them.
    - jotm 11y ago
      tip to tip efficiency... :-D
  - akx 11y ago
    Yeah, my calculation only takes into account the actual cargo space in a station wagon. If you can fit 5 people in the station wagon too and a human is about 66 liters in volume...
  - hga 11y ago
    Yeah, they're probably more heat resistant, but heating them up makes those trapped electrons more eager to flee.