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Every time I read about this awful case I am reminded how happy I am to have left Java behind. Yes as a developer this makes no difference to me in any practica

Every time I read about this awful case I am reminded how happy I am to have left Java behind. Yes as a developer this makes no difference to me in any practical way but it did put an awkward and uncomfortable cloud over the Java framework for me. Using a language owned by a company who does this kind of thing just didn't feel "right" and I disliked knowing I was [indirectly] supporting Oracle by using Java.

Someone1234 11y ago
The most depressing part, to me, is if you asked anyone who "owned" Java back in the Sun days they would have told you nobody. Since it is OSS and aside from Microsoft's J++ lawsuit, Sun was pretty liberal about how people used Java (as they mostly profited from value adds, rather than the core language or libraries). If Sun were still around, I suspect not only would they not be suing Google, but they would be actively involved in the Android development scene, producing tooling and other assists and offering enterprise support. Oracle are just evil™
- kozukumi 11y ago
  Couldn't agree more. Sun, for all their faults, knew what Java was about. For me Java died the day Oracle bought Sun. I am glad I have nothing to do with Oracle anymore. With Microsoft making more and more of .NET open source I hope to see C# replace Java in the enterprise.
- toyg 11y ago
  > If Sun were still around, I suspect not only would they not be suing Google, but they would be actively involved in the Android development scene That's a big stretch. For one, Sun people weren't particularly happy that Google blatantly sidestepped them; all the time Sun was a going concern, backroom discussions with Google were ongoing and not particularly conciliatory. Sun didn't contribute to Dalvik and would likely never had (why, when they had OpenJDK?). The fact that they never granted use of the TCK is quite revealing in itself.
  - clumsysmurf 11y ago
    According to this person's recollection, Sun was pretty pissed at Google. http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2348832&cid=36882124 http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2348832&cid=36882124
- bad_user 11y ago
  That's not true. The JCP has always been a farce, as Java's TCK was never a part of it. This meant that a project such as Apache Harmony couldn't pass it and thus earn the right to use Java's trademark because Sun wanted licensing terms incompatible with open-source. The Apache foundation was pretty pissed about it, as this effectively killed Harmony ... http://www.apache.org/jcp/sunopenletter.html http://www.apache.org/jcp/sunopenletter.html - Truth is that big companies do not open source stuff because it's so damn hard to get all the approvals. Sun only open-sourced Java because they felt the pressure to do it, as Apache Harmony was backed by IBM. Of course, the reasons don't really matter. The power of open source starts from the license. You don't have to trust Oracle in order to enjoy Java because OpenJDK can be forked, as unfortunately for them that genie is out of the bottle. OpenOffice was forked as LibreOffice, Open Solaris was forked as Illumos, both have been doing better than their former selves. If Oracle is not careful, Java will get forked as well.

Someone1234 11y ago

The most depressing part, to me, is if you asked anyone who "owned" Java back in the Sun days they would have told you nobody. Since it is OSS and aside from Microsoft's J++ lawsuit, Sun was pretty liberal about how people used Java (as they mostly profited from value adds, rather than the core language or libraries). If Sun were still around, I suspect not only would they not be suing Google, but they would be actively involved in the Android development scene, producing tooling and other assists and offering enterprise support. Oracle are just evil™

kozukumi 11y ago
Couldn't agree more. Sun, for all their faults, knew what Java was about. For me Java died the day Oracle bought Sun. I am glad I have nothing to do with Oracle anymore. With Microsoft making more and more of .NET open source I hope to see C# replace Java in the enterprise.
toyg 11y ago
> If Sun were still around, I suspect not only would they not be suing Google, but they would be actively involved in the Android development scene That's a big stretch. For one, Sun people weren't particularly happy that Google blatantly sidestepped them; all the time Sun was a going concern, backroom discussions with Google were ongoing and not particularly conciliatory. Sun didn't contribute to Dalvik and would likely never had (why, when they had OpenJDK?). The fact that they never granted use of the TCK is quite revealing in itself.
- clumsysmurf 11y ago
  According to this person's recollection, Sun was pretty pissed at Google. http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2348832&cid=36882124 http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2348832&cid=36882124
bad_user 11y ago
That's not true. The JCP has always been a farce, as Java's TCK was never a part of it. This meant that a project such as Apache Harmony couldn't pass it and thus earn the right to use Java's trademark because Sun wanted licensing terms incompatible with open-source. The Apache foundation was pretty pissed about it, as this effectively killed Harmony ... http://www.apache.org/jcp/sunopenletter.html http://www.apache.org/jcp/sunopenletter.html - Truth is that big companies do not open source stuff because it's so damn hard to get all the approvals. Sun only open-sourced Java because they felt the pressure to do it, as Apache Harmony was backed by IBM. Of course, the reasons don't really matter. The power of open source starts from the license. You don't have to trust Oracle in order to enjoy Java because OpenJDK can be forked, as unfortunately for them that genie is out of the bottle. OpenOffice was forked as LibreOffice, Open Solaris was forked as Illumos, both have been doing better than their former selves. If Oracle is not careful, Java will get forked as well.