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I am sticking with Windows 7 until I get out of college and after that I am ditching Windows forever.

by jorgecastillo 11y ago

gtk40 11y ago
I too got rid of Windows as soon as I graduated. It's been a nice feeling.
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rm_-rf_slash 11y ago
God forbid Microsoft give 7 the boot for support like they did XP. Windows 7 is standard for workstations at the college administration where I work, and suggestions to switch to 8 are met with laughter across the board. We have trouble enough with China trying to hack us literally thousands of times per day, and there is no reason to trust Windows 10 to be any more secure.
- Hello71 11y ago
  > We have trouble enough with China trying to hack us literally thousands of times per day you mean you did "tail -f /var/log/secure". > God forbid Microsoft give 7 the boot for support like they did XP. god forbid Microsoft try to deprecate OSs after nearly 13 years. note that in 2001, the newest Linux kernel available was in the 2.4 series, with many people still using 2.2.
  - Silhouette 11y ago
    god forbid Microsoft try to deprecate OSs after nearly 13 years. You seem to have invented a decade. Windows 8 RTM was just over 3 years ago. Also, while I have some sympathy with both the idea that software isn't perfect and the idea that Microsoft need a viable business model, I don't think it's unreasonable to expect a product like Windows 7 to come with essential support for a significant period of time, perhaps based on the expected working lifetime of devices where the software is normally installed. It's true that we don't know how to make perfect software yet, but it's also still the case that those security and bug fixes are only necessary because the product as originally provided was defective. If you're making as much money from a product as Microsoft do from Windows, and if defects in your product cause harm on the scale that bugs in Windows do, I think it's fair to expect you to make good your mistakes for a reasonable period as well. It also seems to me that Microsoft could do very well from stating a reasonable period of guaranteed support with the purchase but then offering reasonably-priced ongoing support afterwards so it have a real revenue stream to fund long-term maintenance if it turns out that devices running Windows 7 are in use for a long time. This also conveniently removes the incentive to ship successive products that are seen to be worse than what people had before.
    - Hello71 11y ago
      > god forbid Microsoft try to deprecate OSs after nearly 13 years. > You seem to have invented a decade. Windows 8 RTM was just over 3 years ago. > > God forbid Microsoft give 7 the boot for support like they did XP.
    - scholia 11y ago
      > I don't think it's unreasonable to expect a product like Windows 7 to come with essential support for a significant period of time, perhaps based on the expected working lifetime of devices where the software is normally installed. Under Microsoft's software lifecycle policy, operating systems are normally supported for 10 years. So, for example, we already know that support for Windows 7 ends in 2020, unless it's extended. http://windows.microsoft.com/en-GB/windows/lifecycle http://windows.microsoft.com/en-GB/windows/lifecycle The best LTS on Linux is 5 years, and used to be 3 years. The best lifecycle support on OS X is, oh well, pick a number. A small number. If you bought Windows 7 in 2009 and took a free upgrade to Windows 10 then you're supported until 2025, if your hardware lasts that long. So you'd have got roughly 15 years' use of an operating system for roughly $40. It's obviously terrible value....
      - Silhouette 11y ago
        Just to be clear, I'm not arguing that Microsoft's current support periods are somehow bad. On the contrary, I think they have historically been by far the best in the industry, and that this has been a strong argument in favour of building serious software on Windows. All I'm saying is that a significant period of support -- longer than the 3 years the posts I was replying to seemed to be suggesting -- is a reasonable expectation for this sort of commercial software, because the developers are supplying an imperfect product in the first place. In contrast, if the new version of Windows with its compulsory updates removes that ability to keep what you actually bought working as well as it was when you bought it, that is not a good thing, any more than it is when Apple have dumped support for old versions of iOS or OS X well before the end of the useful lifetime of devices they ran on. The position that the software industry wants to keep changing things so everyone else should be forced to keep up whether or not it's actually in their interests is not something I can support.
  - rm_-rf_slash 11y ago
    I mean China literally doesn't stop. Every college, every department, they're all under attack, all the time. Whether it's sanctioned cyber-theft by the Chinese government or one of their thousands of "patriot hackers" they are ALWAYS trying to penetrate our networks and steal our research, personnel information, and so on. This is an indisputable fact, and my university is not alone.
    - mondoshawan 11y ago
      Can you not block all incoming traffic from China assigned blocks?
      - rm_-rf_slash 11y ago
        A lot of these attempts come through proxies. Shut one down, another comes in its place.
        mondoshawan 11y ago
        Anyone have statistics or percentages? I'm more wondering for my own selfish reasons (I'd like to stop the majority of this junk effectively if possible).

I am sticking with Windows 7 until I get out of college and after that I am ditching Windows forever.

gtk40 11y ago

I too got rid of Windows as soon as I graduated. It's been a nice feeling.

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rm_-rf_slash 11y ago

God forbid Microsoft give 7 the boot for support like they did XP. Windows 7 is standard for workstations at the college administration where I work, and suggestions to switch to 8 are met with laughter across the board. We have trouble enough with China trying to hack us literally thousands of times per day, and there is no reason to trust Windows 10 to be any more secure.

Hello71 11y ago
> We have trouble enough with China trying to hack us literally thousands of times per day you mean you did "tail -f /var/log/secure". > God forbid Microsoft give 7 the boot for support like they did XP. god forbid Microsoft try to deprecate OSs after nearly 13 years. note that in 2001, the newest Linux kernel available was in the 2.4 series, with many people still using 2.2.
- Silhouette 11y ago
  god forbid Microsoft try to deprecate OSs after nearly 13 years. You seem to have invented a decade. Windows 8 RTM was just over 3 years ago. Also, while I have some sympathy with both the idea that software isn't perfect and the idea that Microsoft need a viable business model, I don't think it's unreasonable to expect a product like Windows 7 to come with essential support for a significant period of time, perhaps based on the expected working lifetime of devices where the software is normally installed. It's true that we don't know how to make perfect software yet, but it's also still the case that those security and bug fixes are only necessary because the product as originally provided was defective. If you're making as much money from a product as Microsoft do from Windows, and if defects in your product cause harm on the scale that bugs in Windows do, I think it's fair to expect you to make good your mistakes for a reasonable period as well. It also seems to me that Microsoft could do very well from stating a reasonable period of guaranteed support with the purchase but then offering reasonably-priced ongoing support afterwards so it have a real revenue stream to fund long-term maintenance if it turns out that devices running Windows 7 are in use for a long time. This also conveniently removes the incentive to ship successive products that are seen to be worse than what people had before.
  - Hello71 11y ago
    > god forbid Microsoft try to deprecate OSs after nearly 13 years. > You seem to have invented a decade. Windows 8 RTM was just over 3 years ago. > > God forbid Microsoft give 7 the boot for support like they did XP.
  - scholia 11y ago
    > I don't think it's unreasonable to expect a product like Windows 7 to come with essential support for a significant period of time, perhaps based on the expected working lifetime of devices where the software is normally installed. Under Microsoft's software lifecycle policy, operating systems are normally supported for 10 years. So, for example, we already know that support for Windows 7 ends in 2020, unless it's extended. http://windows.microsoft.com/en-GB/windows/lifecycle http://windows.microsoft.com/en-GB/windows/lifecycle The best LTS on Linux is 5 years, and used to be 3 years. The best lifecycle support on OS X is, oh well, pick a number. A small number. If you bought Windows 7 in 2009 and took a free upgrade to Windows 10 then you're supported until 2025, if your hardware lasts that long. So you'd have got roughly 15 years' use of an operating system for roughly $40. It's obviously terrible value....
    - Silhouette 11y ago
      Just to be clear, I'm not arguing that Microsoft's current support periods are somehow bad. On the contrary, I think they have historically been by far the best in the industry, and that this has been a strong argument in favour of building serious software on Windows. All I'm saying is that a significant period of support -- longer than the 3 years the posts I was replying to seemed to be suggesting -- is a reasonable expectation for this sort of commercial software, because the developers are supplying an imperfect product in the first place. In contrast, if the new version of Windows with its compulsory updates removes that ability to keep what you actually bought working as well as it was when you bought it, that is not a good thing, any more than it is when Apple have dumped support for old versions of iOS or OS X well before the end of the useful lifetime of devices they ran on. The position that the software industry wants to keep changing things so everyone else should be forced to keep up whether or not it's actually in their interests is not something I can support.
- rm_-rf_slash 11y ago
  I mean China literally doesn't stop. Every college, every department, they're all under attack, all the time. Whether it's sanctioned cyber-theft by the Chinese government or one of their thousands of "patriot hackers" they are ALWAYS trying to penetrate our networks and steal our research, personnel information, and so on. This is an indisputable fact, and my university is not alone.
  - mondoshawan 11y ago
    Can you not block all incoming traffic from China assigned blocks?
    - rm_-rf_slash 11y ago
      A lot of these attempts come through proxies. Shut one down, another comes in its place.
      - mondoshawan 11y ago
        Anyone have statistics or percentages? I'm more wondering for my own selfish reasons (I'd like to stop the majority of this junk effectively if possible).