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Or stop using Windows and we can put the final nail in once and for all. Linux, through Ubuntu, is (IMO) now ready for the prime time.

by brador 11y ago

robotkilla 11y ago
the problem for me (and people like me) is that I'm running a gaming / game dev rig. I actually need Windows as most of the games I play are windows only - plus my current rig is way more powerful than any mac I can afford. I love linux and attempted to dev my games in pygame so that I would only need Windows to play games, but this isn't a good solution either as I prefer Unity. Guess I'll stick with 8.1 for now even though it is shit.
- benjaminjackman 11y ago
  Sounds like my situation. I have been able to put Unity on the back-shelf because it's just a hobby for me. I have been experimenting with Phaser / PIXI / P2 + ScalaJS in the meantime while I wait for the Editor to come to Linux, which will hopefully happen in the near future [1]. As for actually playing games, a surprising amount of the ones I try have been ported over to Linux already. For the rest, I use Steam Live Streaming from a Windows 7 box which works pretty well. Steam can even stream non-Steam games (blizzard ones for example). I tried using it to stream the Unity Editor, but it was just too clunky for my tastes. 1: http://blogs.unity3d.com/2015/07/01/the-state-of-unity-on-linux/ http://blogs.unity3d.com/2015/07/01/the-state-of-unity-on-li...
  - robotkilla 11y ago
    Thankfully I have 2 gaming rigs, 1 outdated mac and 2 older custom rigs that are sitting around in pieces. I'm going to build and install a linux box for personal computing (all non-dev non-gaming related computer activity) and just keep it on right next to my gaming / dev rig.
joshuapants 11y ago
I say the following as a Linux enthusiast: Ubuntu is absolutely not "ready for the prime time," as you put it. It's not ready for home users, it's not ready for most businesses, it's not ready for anyone except a small number of users.
- cautious_int 11y ago
  Why?
  - joshuapants 11y ago
    In comparison to OSX and Windows running on the same hardware, Ubuntu is worse in every meaningful way. Power management is terrible, window management is terrible, the Ubuntu software center is slow as hell and has no selection (amount of useful software is a huge concern, actually). It lacks polish in general, things that people have come to take for granted in their OSs are missing or badly implemented. I'm sure the argument will come that most home users only need a web browser, so the software selection isn't a problem, but at that point you might as well just use Chrome OS and get something that actually works.
- fixermark 11y ago
  Yep. I want to love it (I want to love it so much). I just can't. Audio still doesn't work on my installation. It can work if I kill Flash or pulseaudio---sometimes---or if I restart my browser or entire machine---sometimes. But it's an atrocious state of affairs to expect end-users to debug basic functionality like that, and they end up having to because there isn't a "Geek Squad" local-service ecosystem to take a malfunctioning Linux machine to (with your own customized distro install) where they can just "make it work." It's not just a software problem---it's an ecosystem problem. Both in terms of the service / support sector and in terms of the software creation sector (the fact that there isn't just one answer to "How do I do audio on Linux" is absolutely maddening to someone used to writing software on a Mac / Win monoculture [http://braid-game.com/news/2008/08/misc-linux-questions/] http://braid-game.com/news/2008/08/misc-linux-questions/]).
- brador 11y ago
raisedbyninjas 11y ago
I tried ubuntu last year and the context menu on the desktop was displayed wonky. Time to first bug of 1 click is not ready for prime time. Not to mention it took an hour of trying printer drivers for my common laser printer to find one that would output even distorted barely legible text.
eloff 11y ago
No, it definitely isn't. I'm a software engineer and I've used it as my primary desktop OS for years. A year ago I went and paid $300 for a windows 8.1 box and migrated my whole system back to windows. There were just too many problems that got in the way of my work, things breaking after updates, graphics and printer driver issues, etc. I was spending more time debugging that stuff than a windows license costs. I don't like windows, especially windows 8, but it's stable. I did have to buy a start menu add-on, because Microsoft lost their mind with windows 8. I keep my Ubuntu machines in a VM now, where I can easily back them up, roll them back, or throw them away without affecting my productivity. It's not quite as fluid running an Ubuntu desktop at 4K inside a VM, but still quite usable. If it's not ready for a seasoned software engineer, it's definitely not ready for my mom.

Or stop using Windows and we can put the final nail in once and for all. Linux, through Ubuntu, is (IMO) now ready for the prime time.

by brador 11y ago

Or stop using Windows and we can put the final nail in once and for all. Linux, through Ubuntu, is (IMO) now ready for the prime time.

robotkilla 11y ago

the problem for me (and people like me) is that I'm running a gaming / game dev rig. I actually need Windows as most of the games I play are windows only - plus my current rig is way more powerful than any mac I can afford. I love linux and attempted to dev my games in pygame so that I would only need Windows to play games, but this isn't a good solution either as I prefer Unity. Guess I'll stick with 8.1 for now even though it is shit.

benjaminjackman 11y ago
Sounds like my situation. I have been able to put Unity on the back-shelf because it's just a hobby for me. I have been experimenting with Phaser / PIXI / P2 + ScalaJS in the meantime while I wait for the Editor to come to Linux, which will hopefully happen in the near future [1]. As for actually playing games, a surprising amount of the ones I try have been ported over to Linux already. For the rest, I use Steam Live Streaming from a Windows 7 box which works pretty well. Steam can even stream non-Steam games (blizzard ones for example). I tried using it to stream the Unity Editor, but it was just too clunky for my tastes. 1: http://blogs.unity3d.com/2015/07/01/the-state-of-unity-on-linux/ http://blogs.unity3d.com/2015/07/01/the-state-of-unity-on-li...
- robotkilla 11y ago
  Thankfully I have 2 gaming rigs, 1 outdated mac and 2 older custom rigs that are sitting around in pieces. I'm going to build and install a linux box for personal computing (all non-dev non-gaming related computer activity) and just keep it on right next to my gaming / dev rig.

joshuapants 11y ago

I say the following as a Linux enthusiast: Ubuntu is absolutely not "ready for the prime time," as you put it. It's not ready for home users, it's not ready for most businesses, it's not ready for anyone except a small number of users.

cautious_int 11y ago
Why?
- joshuapants 11y ago
  In comparison to OSX and Windows running on the same hardware, Ubuntu is worse in every meaningful way. Power management is terrible, window management is terrible, the Ubuntu software center is slow as hell and has no selection (amount of useful software is a huge concern, actually). It lacks polish in general, things that people have come to take for granted in their OSs are missing or badly implemented. I'm sure the argument will come that most home users only need a web browser, so the software selection isn't a problem, but at that point you might as well just use Chrome OS and get something that actually works.
fixermark 11y ago
Yep. I want to love it (I want to love it so much). I just can't. Audio still doesn't work on my installation. It can work if I kill Flash or pulseaudio---sometimes---or if I restart my browser or entire machine---sometimes. But it's an atrocious state of affairs to expect end-users to debug basic functionality like that, and they end up having to because there isn't a "Geek Squad" local-service ecosystem to take a malfunctioning Linux machine to (with your own customized distro install) where they can just "make it work." It's not just a software problem---it's an ecosystem problem. Both in terms of the service / support sector and in terms of the software creation sector (the fact that there isn't just one answer to "How do I do audio on Linux" is absolutely maddening to someone used to writing software on a Mac / Win monoculture [http://braid-game.com/news/2008/08/misc-linux-questions/] http://braid-game.com/news/2008/08/misc-linux-questions/]).
brador 11y ago

raisedbyninjas 11y ago

I tried ubuntu last year and the context menu on the desktop was displayed wonky. Time to first bug of 1 click is not ready for prime time. Not to mention it took an hour of trying printer drivers for my common laser printer to find one that would output even distorted barely legible text.

eloff 11y ago

No, it definitely isn't. I'm a software engineer and I've used it as my primary desktop OS for years. A year ago I went and paid $300 for a windows 8.1 box and migrated my whole system back to windows. There were just too many problems that got in the way of my work, things breaking after updates, graphics and printer driver issues, etc. I was spending more time debugging that stuff than a windows license costs. I don't like windows, especially windows 8, but it's stable. I did have to buy a start menu add-on, because Microsoft lost their mind with windows 8. I keep my Ubuntu machines in a VM now, where I can easily back them up, roll them back, or throw them away without affecting my productivity. It's not quite as fluid running an Ubuntu desktop at 4K inside a VM, but still quite usable. If it's not ready for a seasoned software engineer, it's definitely not ready for my mom.